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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: You are at it again dictating to me to cool it!!! because you do not like my constructive observations. Do not apply for the moderator vacancy or yahoo could go up in smoke g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: e2b7e65dcf7cf6551ab81105a525fe0f Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0152_01CD427C.E7F4F220" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:503978112:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40914fccf9b05366 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0152_01CD427C.E7F4F220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are at it again dictating to me to cool it!!! because you do not = like my constructive observations.=20 Do not apply for the moderator vacancy or yahoo could go up in smoke g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Dear Stefan, If you visit the group website the poll button is on the left. Press = it, vote and leave thereafter. But I am still puzzled why you really = have such an aversion to Yahoo Groups which thousands of hams have used = happily and freely for years. They are a GOOD resource.=20 Dear Mal, This all started as a simple suggestion of mine: Yahoo Groups offer = everything this reflector has (speed,email flash messages etc) and so = yet much more too. I had NO wish to create a problem, especially with = good people like Stefan who I greatly respect. I have never sought = conflict and certainly my views on moderation have been totally = misrepresented. Please, can we cool it? John (G3WKL),=20 I am rapidly losing the will to live :-) . Like me, you have only been = trying to do the best for LFers, including finding new ways to share = knowledge and data with newcomers. I am so sorry this has become so = contentious.=20 73s Roger=20 -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 4 Jun 2012, at 16:03, John Gould = wrote: Stefan, I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo = account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and = that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with = your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised = by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. =20 I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll = on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. =20 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = wrote: Hi Clive, LF, For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a = yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging = the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts = that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to = codeterminate in this process. My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group = compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, = where one has to win and the other will be shut down after some time. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the = voting period ends. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0152_01CD427C.E7F4F220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
You are at it again dictating to me to cool = it!!! because=20 you do not like my constructive observations.
Do not apply for the moderator vacancy or yahoo = could go=20 up in smoke
g3kev
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger=20 Lapthorn
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 = 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black = Sheep

Dear Stefan,
If you visit the group website the poll button is on the left. = Press it,=20 vote and leave thereafter. But I am still puzzled why you really have = such an=20 aversion to Yahoo Groups which thousands of hams have used happily and = freely=20 for years. They are a GOOD resource. 

Dear Mal,
This all started as a simple suggestion of mine: Yahoo Groups = offer=20 everything this reflector has (speed,email flash messages etc) and so = yet much=20 more too.  I had NO wish to create a problem, especially with = good people=20 like Stefan who I greatly respect. I have never sought conflict and = certainly=20 my views on moderation have been totally misrepresented. Please, can = we cool=20 it?

John (G3WKL), 
I am rapidly losing the will to live :-) . Like me, you have only = been=20 trying to do the best for LFers, including finding new ways to share = knowledge=20 and data with newcomers. I am so sorry this has become so=20 contentious. 

73s
Roger 

-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 4 Jun 2012, at 16:03, John Gould <johngould88@googlemail.com= >=20 wrote:

Stefan,

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a = yahoo=20 account.  I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail = account and=20 that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with = your=20 Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised = by one=20 of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe.  

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a = poll on=20 the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted.=20  

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> = wrote:
Hi=20 Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list but = without=20 having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation = is=20 advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind = for=20 such facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who = want to=20 codeterminate in this process.

My vote is pro blacksheep = and i=20 would agree with the 2 group compromise. As long as the two groups = are not=20 treated like competitors, where one has to win and the other will = be shut=20 down after some time.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 = 13:15,=20 schrieb Clive Lorton:
If=20 you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the = voting=20 period ends.
 =20 =


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