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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Roger You are not keeping track of what is going on. I said earlier I would like an open democratic vote to take place on both reflectors. Open and transparent in simple language state your preference openly on the reflectors and not a closed shop vote via Yahoo only. Again I say there was nothing wrong with the old Blacksheep reflector it served its purpose well so why change. For me and others as expressed on here we do not need an archieve files system for either email input or picture uploads, just an activity alert system with small email attachments. End of story. The transition from one to the other was too rapid without consultation, had it been otherwise perhaps there would not have been so much controversey taking place. I have not voted for the reasons specified above. What ever the outcome I will not lose any sleep over it !!! but at least my opinion was heard. As far as possible I want to be in control of my files and other material that I have an interest in and not to be in the pockets of others. I can see your point of view that directs you in the opposite direction but that is your choice. This discussion at present is wasting too much of my DX ing time on all of the amateur bands especially 137 Khz to 50 Mhz, which is open fairly frequently these days. In between Horticultural outside activites ie planting, hay cutting, hedge cutting etc I am monitoring 136.5 and 502 Khz and 50.1 Mhz at the present time. For those so equipped pse call and I will respond on CW De mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: cdd2770020a136d9631c7b77577b7e9a Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F0_01CD4263.4CB3F4F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:518522912:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60574fccce9d4041 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01CD4263.4CB3F4F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger You are not keeping track of what is going on. I said earlier I would like an open democratic vote to take place on = both reflectors. Open and transparent in simple language state your = preference openly on the reflectors and not a closed shop vote via Yahoo = only.=20 Again I say there was nothing wrong with the old Blacksheep reflector it = served its purpose well so why change. For me and others as expressed on = here we do not need an archieve files system for either email input or = picture uploads, just an activity alert system with small email = attachments. End of story. The transition from one to the other was too = rapid without consultation, had it been otherwise perhaps there would = not have been so much controversey taking place. I have not voted for the reasons specified above. What ever the outcome = I will not lose any sleep over it !!! but at least my opinion was heard. As far as possible I want to be in control of my files and other = material that I have an interest in and not to be in the pockets of = others. I can see your point of view that directs you in the opposite direction = but that is your choice. This discussion at present is wasting too much of my DX ing time on all = of the amateur bands especially 137 Khz to 50 Mhz, which is open fairly = frequently these days. In between Horticultural outside activites ie = planting, hay cutting, hedge cutting etc I am monitoring 136.5 and 502 = Khz and 50.1 Mhz at the present time. For those so equipped pse call and = I will respond on CW De mal/g3kev =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 2:22 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Mal, We'll let others be the judge regarding your attitude and helpful = inputs.=20 By the way, have you voted yet? 73s=20 Roger -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 4 Jun 2012, at 14:26, "mal hamilton" wrote: I am only quoting what you published reference items 9 and 10. In = some other messages from you there is also mention of vetting and = banning. Why is this such a problem with you. No one else seems to be = concerned.=20 I am merely pointing out concerns that I have about some of your = postings where vetting and banning keeps cropping up. My argument and others is that one should be allowed to get their = opinion heard without fear or favour and I do no like to bombarded with = words that imply restrictive practice. I am not aware of any attack going on but surely I am permitted to = challenge what others say, if it effects me and in this case the move to = the Yahoo reflector does, as it does others as well and they are = expressing their opinions daily.=20 It particularly effects me since I am one of the few radio amateurs = that are active daily on 500 and 137 khz and a voice on the reflector is = useful to update activity, propagation conditions, DX alerts and = technical data about changes of equipment, power etc. Modes currently available when in CQ mode ie CW or Opera.=20 de g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 12:33 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead = .....PLEASE Dear Mal, Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? Not = me.=20 Please, stop this personal and nasty hate campaign.=20 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 4 Jun 2012, at 13:17, "mal hamilton" = wrote: Reference postings from G3XBM I am concerned about items 9 and 10 Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members banned. Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the credentials of those = VETTING and what is a DIFFICULT member probably someone who has a = different opinion or point of view from his or even a sense of HUMOUR What ever happens avoid him as a moderator de g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; Alan Melia ; Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer ; Markus Vester ; James Moritz=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE With the latest outage (5 days already) may I again suggest = that the LF-reflector migrates to a Yahoo group? In over 10 years I have rarely had delays in messages, = outages, or problems with any group to which I belong or moderate. Instead they have had these advantages: 1.. Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves = cluttered in-boxes) 2.. There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes = before messages are received.=20 3.. All messages are archived and searchable. 4.. Large files can be stored.=20 5.. Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth.=20 6.. Links can be stored/shared=20 7.. Videos can be stored.=20 8.. Polls can be run.=20 9.. Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of = moderators to speed up the process)=20 10.. Difficult members can be banned in exceptional = circumstances.=20 11.. Spam messages can be filtered 12.. Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests = etc)=20 The advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply cannot = understand why the change hasn't made years ago. With the problems this = week it is surely time. To set up a new Yahoo group called "LF-reflector" (or = whatever) would take about 30 seconds and migration to it by all = interested members here would take about a day at most. All you need is = to agree a group name, who owns it, who can moderate posts and some = basic group ground rules/FAQs. Please, think about it again.=20 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ http://qss2.blogspot.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01CD4263.4CB3F4F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Roger
You are not keeping track of what is going=20 on.
I said earlier I would like an open democratic = vote to=20 take place on both reflectors. Open and transparent in simple language = state=20 your preference openly on the reflectors and not a closed shop vote via = Yahoo=20 only.
Again I say there was nothing wrong with the old = Blacksheep reflector it served its purpose well so why change. For me = and others=20 as expressed on here we do not need an archieve files system for either = email=20 input or picture uploads, just an activity alert system with small email = attachments. End of story. The transition from one to the other was too = rapid=20 without consultation, had it been otherwise perhaps there would not have = been so=20 much controversey taking place.
I have not voted for the reasons specified = above. What=20 ever the outcome I will not lose any sleep over it !!! but at least my = opinion=20 was heard.
As far as possible I want to be in control of my = files and other material that I have an interest in and not to = be in=20 the pockets of others.
I can see your point of view=20 that directs you in the opposite direction but that is = your=20 choice.
This discussion at present is wasting too much = of my DX=20 ing time on all of the amateur bands especially 137 Khz to 50 Mhz, which = is open=20 fairly frequently these days. In between Horticultural outside = activites ie=20 planting, hay cutting, hedge cutting etc I am monitoring 136.5 and 502 = Khz and=20 50.1 Mhz at the present time. For those so equipped pse call = and  I=20 will respond on CW
De mal/g3kev
 
  
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger=20 Lapthorn
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 = 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: An = "LF-reflector"=20 Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE

Mal,

We'll let others be the judge regarding your attitude and helpful = inputs. 

By the way, have you voted yet?

73s 
Roger

-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 4 Jun 2012, at 14:26, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

I am only quoting what you published = reference items 9=20 and 10. In some other messages from you there is also mention of = vetting and=20 banning. Why is this such a problem with you. No one else seems to = be=20 concerned.
 I am merely pointing out concerns that = I have=20 about some of your postings where vetting and banning keeps = cropping=20 up.
My argument and others is that one = should be=20 allowed to get their opinion heard without fear or favour and I do = no like=20 to bombarded with words that imply restrictive = practice.
I am not aware of any attack going on = but surely=20 I am permitted to challenge what others say, if it effects me = and in=20 this case the move to the Yahoo reflector does, as it does others as = well=20 and they are expressing their opinions daily.
It particularly effects me since I am one of = the few=20 radio amateurs that are active daily on 500 and 137 khz and a = voice=20 on the reflector is useful to update activity, propagation = conditions, DX alerts and technical data about = changes of=20 equipment, power etc.
Modes currently available when in CQ mode ie = CW=20 or Opera.
 
de g3kev
   
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 = 12:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: An=20 "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE

Dear Mal,

Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? = Not=20 me. 

Please, stop this personal and nasty hate = campaign. 

73s
Roger
G3XBM



-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 4 Jun 2012, at 13:17, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

Reference postings from = G3XBM
I am concerned about items 9  and=20 10
Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT = members=20 banned.
Sounds like a POLICE state and what are = the=20 credentials of those VETTING and what is a DIFFICULT member = probably=20 someone who has a different opinion or point of view from his or = even a=20 sense of HUMOUR
What ever happens avoid him as a=20 moderator
 
de g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn =
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20 ; Alan Melia ; Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer ; Markus=20 Vester ; James Moritz =
Sent: Wednesday, May = 23, 2012=20 9:51 PM
Subject: LF: An = "LF-reflector"=20 Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE

With the latest outage (5 days already) may I = again=20 suggest that the LF-reflector migrates to a Yahoo = group?

In=20 over 10 years I have rarely had delays in messages, outages, = or=20 problems with any group to which I belong or = moderate.

Instead=20 they have had these advantages:
  1. Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves = cluttered=20 in-boxes)
  2. There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes = before=20 messages are received.=20
  3. All messages are archived and searchable.
  4. Large files can be stored.=20
  5. Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth.=20
  6. Links can be stored/shared=20
  7. Videos can be stored.=20
  8. Polls can be run.=20
  9. Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of = moderators=20 to speed up the process)=20
  10. Difficult members can be banned in exceptional = circumstances.=20
  11. Spam messages can be filtered
  12. Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests = etc)=20
The advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply = cannot=20 understand why the change hasn't made years ago. With the = problems=20 this week it is surely time.

To set up a new Yahoo = group called=20 "LF-reflector" (or whatever) would take about 30 seconds and = migration=20 to it by all interested members here would take about a day at = most.=20 All you need is to agree a group name, who owns it, who can = moderate=20 posts and some basic group ground rules/FAQs.

Please, = think=20 about it again.

73s
Roger G3XBM

--=20
http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
http://qss2.blogspot.com/

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