Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DD3CD3800008F; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCAA-0000dy-96 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:52:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCA9-0000dp-Lb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:52:13 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbCA7-0001ui-9f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:52:12 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnwFAKR4y09cF/B0/2dsb2JhbABEnk8DlU+BCIITBQEBBQgBAQNBCAIsAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAQwEh1wDD6g+gz8NiU6KMWAChg4DiA2FMJdUgmCBXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="388191100" Received: from host-92-23-240-116.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.240.116]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 15:52:09 +0100 Message-ID: <00d501cd4198$727929b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de><000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:52:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Well John When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his, this is hardly encouraging or democratic. A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. I was a BBS SYSOP for several years at my GB7KEV main line BBS and never expressed a desire to censor or ban anyone and in those day thousands of messages passed through my system and some were controversial but it was merely persons expressing their opinions that differed from others. I hope you now understand my and others point of view about being associated with this Yahoo group. de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 91e1efbff209cbddb14bc9e018c2cfe8 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D2_01CD4198.72471D30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:451700256:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4064fcb7a504bfd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01CD4198.72471D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well John When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that a = move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose = opinions and point of view differ from his, this is hardly encouraging = or democratic. A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised group = but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. I was a BBS SYSOP for several years at my GB7KEV main line BBS and never = expressed a desire to censor or ban anyone and in those day thousands of = messages passed through my system and some were controversial but it was = merely persons expressing their opinions that differed from others. I hope you now understand my and others point of view about being = associated with this Yahoo group. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 2:04 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Sorry guys, but I'm not monitoring this list much - rather busy on a = number of other fronts. However, as I have looked in to post the thing = about the poll saw the comments below. =20 What is this restriction Mal, on posting to Yahoo! Groups - can you = elaborate as I am not aware of this. =20 In answer to your comment Chris, I have said that I would arrange the = Sysop to create a re-direct to the new group, so that people using the = URL from one on the many published sources would be able to find the = group. I'm not trying to be difficult here, and really don't want to be = saddled with monitoring and administering two groups on the same basic = topic. 73 John, G3WKL On 3 June 2012 12:04, Chris wrote: Mal, I agree. Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest after a year or = two at least. I first discovered it through the RSGB book 'LF Today' and = probably many newcomers do the same. Also there are probably links to = this site from others which will be around for years. Vy 73 all, Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" = To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:38 AM Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status John Keep Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any serious = problems with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with small = attachments and for larger screen shots then Dropbox is suitable and has worked = well this has been pointed out by others. I cannot see any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I get = more adverts that I do not need. Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are not permitted on = Yahoo de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "pws" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector status To John, G3WKL, Please do NOT shut down this reflector. 1. It's active in positive sense. 2. There are too many hams here who say "no thanks!" to that advertisement driven Brave New World were each posting will be "googleable" for ever. Me too. That's the reason I unsubscribed from some Yapoo-Groups recently. 73 Peter, df3lp ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01CD4198.72471D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well John
When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time = back=20 indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons = like me=20 whose opinions and point of view differ from his,  this is hardly=20 encouraging or democratic.
A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation = of any=20 organised group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING.
I was a BBS SYSOP for several years at my GB7KEV = main line=20 BBS and never expressed a desire to censor or ban anyone and in those = day=20 thousands of messages passed through my system and some were = controversial but=20 it was merely persons expressing their opinions that differed from=20 others.
I hope you now understand my and others point of = view=20 about being associated with this Yahoo group.
de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: = Reflector=20 status

Sorry guys, but I'm not monitoring this list much - = rather busy=20 on a number of other fronts.  However, as I have looked in to = post the=20 thing about the poll saw the comments below.  

What is this restriction Mal, on posting to Yahoo! Groups - can = you=20 elaborate as I am not aware of this.  

In answer to your comment Chris, I have said that I would arrange = the=20 Sysop to create a re-direct to the new group, so that people using the = URL=20 from one on the many published sources would be able to find the = group.

I'm not trying to be difficult here, and really don't want to be = saddled=20 with monitoring and administering two groups on the same basic = topic.

73 John, G3WKL

On 3 June 2012 12:04, Chris <c.ashby435@btinternet.com> wrote:
Mal,=20 I agree.
Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest = after a=20 year or two at least. I first discovered it through the RSGB book = 'LF Today'=20 and probably many newcomers do the same. Also there are probably = links to=20 this site from others which will be around for years.
Vy 73=20 all,
Chris, G4AYT.
----- Original Message ----- From: "mal = hamilton"=20 <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: = Sunday, June 03,=20 2012 10:38 AM
Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status


John
Keep=20 Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any serious=20 problems
with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with = small=20 attachments and
for larger screen shots then Dropbox is = suitable and=20 has worked well this
has been pointed out by others.
I = cannot see=20 any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I get = more
adverts that I=20 do not need.
Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are = not=20 permitted on Yahoo
de mal/g3kev


----- Original = Message=20 -----
From: "pws" <pws@legal-medicine.de>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: = Sunday, June=20 03, 2012 8:37 AM
Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector = status


To=20 John, G3WKL,

Please do NOT shut down this = reflector.

1.=20 It's active in positive sense.

2. There are too many hams = here=20 who say
"no thanks!" to that advertisement driven
Brave = New World=20 were each posting will be
"googleable" for ever. Me=20 too.

That's the reason I unsubscribed from
some = Yapoo-Groups=20 recently.

73 Peter,=20 = df3lp






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