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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John Pity you did not stick to your original instinct and stay with Blacksheep. The whole episode is a real mess. Now one has to join Yahoo to vote then resign afterwards. This already creates a bias in favour of Yahoo since so many thought there was going to be no alternative. and moved over. How about the VOTE taking place on Blacksheep instead, which is the way it should have been. Let them join/rejoin Blacksheep and resign afterwards if found necessary. The whole business was rushed and only now are we seeing really how the main LF/MF communicators and experimenters feel. The only person that has been pushing for a Yahoo takeover for some time has been G3XBM and said he was involved with other Yahoo groups as moderator. Maybe he had designs on moderating this group and eliminating those whose opinions he did not like. I am only quoting what the man himself said in various email/posting on Blacksheep. Serious LF/MF experimenters should speak out and make their point of view known, this is Democracy [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 396a95bbad9af60b2ee566edcd35b39e Subject: LF: Re: Poll announcement Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B6_01CD4195.5CAC9840" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:482103808:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40da4fcb752c1306 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01CD4195.5CAC9840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John Pity you did not stick to your original instinct and stay with = Blacksheep. The whole episode is a real mess. Now one has to join Yahoo = to vote then resign afterwards. This already creates a bias in favour of = Yahoo since so many thought there was going to be no alternative. and moved over. How about the VOTE taking place on Blacksheep instead, which is the way = it should have been. Let them join/rejoin Blacksheep and resign = afterwards if found necessary. The whole business was rushed and only now are we seeing really how the = main LF/MF communicators and experimenters feel. The only person that has been pushing for a Yahoo takeover for some time = has been G3XBM and said he was involved with other Yahoo groups as = moderator. Maybe he had designs on moderating this group and eliminating = those whose opinions he did not like. I am only quoting what the man himself said in various email/posting on = Blacksheep. Serious LF/MF experimenters should speak out and make their point of = view known, this is Democracy de Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: LF: Poll announcement I've put up a poll on the Yahoo! Group version to see whether there is = a clear view on the way forward. I thought that there was, but there = seem to still be some with concerns. I personally don't want to have = two groups, which is why I didn't support a move to Yahoo! Groups = earlier; I thought from what I had read on the list that there were lots = of people wanting to take advantage of the Yahoo! Groups offering. = Since many of us have had the chance to try out Yahoo! Groups and it = offers polling tool I thought it would be worthwhile seeing what the = preference is for the way forward. =20 For those not currently members of the Yahoo! Group list you will of = course have to join in order to vote, but at least this is how you can = exercise your right to vote (and leave afterwards, if you wish). The detail of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as = follow: Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the rsgb_lf_group group: Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, how do you want to continue? o With the Yahoo! Groups list o With the Blacksheep.org list o Both lists To vote, please visit the following web page: http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=3D13140385 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks!=20 73 John, G3WKL ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01CD4195.5CAC9840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John
Pity you did not stick to your original instinct = and stay=20 with Blacksheep. The whole episode is a real mess. Now one has to join = Yahoo to=20 vote then resign afterwards. This already creates a bias in favour of = Yahoo=20 since so many thought there was going to be no alternative.
and moved over.
How about the VOTE taking place on Blacksheep = instead,=20 which is the way it should have been. Let them join/rejoin Blacksheep = and resign=20 afterwards if found necessary.
The whole business was rushed and only now are = we seeing=20 really how the main LF/MF communicators and experimenters = feel.
The only person that has been pushing for a = Yahoo takeover=20 for some time has been G3XBM and said he was involved with other Yahoo = groups as=20 moderator. Maybe he had designs on moderating this group and eliminating = those=20 whose opinions he did not like.
 I am only quoting what the man himself = said in=20 various email/posting on Blacksheep.
Serious LF/MF experimenters should speak out and = make=20 their point of view known, this is Democracy
 
de Mal/G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 1:57 PM
Subject: LF: Poll = announcement

I've=20 put up a poll on the Yahoo! Group version to see whether there is a = clear view=20 on the way forward.  I thought that there was, but there seem to = still be=20 some with concerns.   I personally don't want to have two groups, = which=20 is why I didn't support a move to Yahoo! Groups earlier; I thought = from what I=20 had read on the list that there were lots of people wanting to take = advantage=20 of the Yahoo! Groups offering.  Since many of us have had the = chance to=20 try out Yahoo! Groups and it offers polling tool I thought it would be = worthwhile seeing what the preference is for the way forward.=20  

For=20 those not currently members of the Yahoo! Group list you will of = course have=20 to join in order to vote, but at least this is how you can exercise = your right=20 to vote (and leave afterwards, if you wish).

The=20 detail of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as=20 follow:


Enter=20 your vote today! A new poll has been created for thersgb_lf_group=20 group:Now=20 that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list,how=20 do you want to continue?o=20 With the Yahoo! Groups listo=20 With the Blacksheep.org listo=20 Both listsTo=20 vote, please visit the following web page:http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=3D13140385= Note:=20 Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes arenot=20 collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! = Groupsweb=20 site listed above.Thanks!=20


73=20 John, G3WKL
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