Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D947A38000089; Thu, 3 May 2012 05:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SPsnE-0004vO-EY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 May 2012 10:57:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SPsnD-0004vF-Ul for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 May 2012 10:57:47 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SPsnB-00075Q-Jm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 May 2012 10:57:46 +0100 Received: from pc-roelof (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q439vdXD014469 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 11:57:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FA04D47.6070701@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <006f01cd27ed$47cca9e0$4001a8c0@lark> Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 11:57:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Roelof Bakker" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006f01cd27ed$47cca9e0$4001a8c0@lark> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.62 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Alan, > The DSP waterfall is so usefull for identifying problems it should > not be avoided in the early satges and even if the QRM is bad and the > receiver deaf it will probably aid you to hear something. One of the most > difficult part is finding a receiver that has any performance down there > out > of the standard Amateur range. A lot that advertise they go from DC to > 1300MHz are very deaf below 500kHz or even 2MHz. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.33 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 7001055fa59a9c23b9831ea6d317a074 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes Subject: Re: LF: Re: Basic LF understanding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:452255264:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40914fa256d0330a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Alan, > The DSP waterfall is so usefull for identifying problems it should > not be avoided in the early satges and even if the QRM is bad and the > receiver deaf it will probably aid you to hear something. One of the most > difficult part is finding a receiver that has any performance down there > out > of the standard Amateur range. A lot that advertise they go from DC to > 1300MHz are very deaf below 500kHz or even 2MHz. The best option is to go for a direct sampling SDR; e.g. the SDR-IQ. I have owned a PERSEUS for four years now and besides an excellent it is also a piece of test gear. It can be used as a high resolution 0 - 40 MHz spectrum analyzer and also as a selective level meter. It has been very useful in observing noise problems. Instead of searching in the dark, the noise picture can spotted at a glance. A cheaper option is a "Softrock" type direct conversion SDR. Though not as useful as the direct sampling type, performance as a receiver are excellent. Most use a SiLab Si570 as local oscillator, which has already excellent phase noise figures. The Si570 will work down to 3.5 MHz, so for use at LF the signal must be divided down, which improves the phase noise even further. 73, Roelof, pa0rdt