Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EC7D138000091; Sat, 5 May 2012 12:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SQhwK-0005dE-IB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 17:34:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SQhwK-0005d5-0Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 17:34:36 +0100 Received: from mail-gh0-f171.google.com ([209.85.160.171] helo=mail-gy0-f171.google.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SQhwH-00064d-KO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 17:34:34 +0100 Received: by ghy10 with SMTP id 10so164750ghy.16 for ; Sat, 05 May 2012 09:34:31 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IyhrgVpEgyuyCtjSsEetnwKsiMyVG5cSIGOmx/9h9DU=; b=THaoUvpifc12sIPBTLjEN24BLP2DmS94cvnLj0FM8b+Olh8XtU3ho/rCnLWxR71nu9 DmQYw7HT7C77MN/LNM+01IN9jVKcVdFtck4tFjasvqDQkBWEVYCo5cgwa+39UT1e/M8g s6WMgS+20Fz0P7BE3Tj2vKivl5Hz4czeWBLScDGisuLvKy9Q24gkE8YvWy3iAt+frYUi bb+wvRAVt97numPHVkg6H/mM6x/Ql6o/OviMZMUriD/k3b5WrnlmWEpxUKTas9rYjQSM Mtbck3+FwoUWcwdhWGeW9L4rHfKgV1QTUw8+FkUhfiZHfvqdf6AEyK2Y0RrEQC+P3xnA xqnQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.47.131 with SMTP id d3mr5310806ign.33.1336235671019; Sat, 05 May 2012 09:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.60.144 with HTTP; Sat, 5 May 2012 09:34:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1336230768.3737.10.camel@g4gvw-high-grade> References: <4F99A446.4080400@o2.co.uk> <1335704544.3002.5.camel@g4gvw-high-grade> <005501cd2919$aeeb9b90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1336230768.3737.10.camel@g4gvw-high-grade> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 17:34:30 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 209.85.160.171 (mail-gh0-f171.google.com) used invalid HELO/EHLO mail-gy0-f171.google.com - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Can you resend the attachment in a format we can actually read. .PDF would be ideal, but what's wrong with .doc Andy G4JNT On 5 May 2012 16:12, pat wrote: > Hi All, > > Mal, actually the CLUED is just a little more complicated than just 4 > years as a qualifying period. A 10 year period can apply to some aspects > as you will read in the attachment. The attachment is from a journal > called Local Government Lawyer and is guidance to those professionally > engaged in such matters. The appropriate law books have this in more > detailed and technical form. > > Trust this will clarify the position. > > If any have problems with .odt I can provide .doc or .rtf > (in a world of open systems, who needs windows and gates or other > "Bloatware Inc" products) > > > > > > > On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 10:44 +0000, mal hamilton wrote: >> 4 years is the requirement NOT 10 years >> >> de G3KEV >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "pat" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 1:02 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: UK Ae mast planning info >> >> >> > Hi Peter, >> > >> > It's worth bearing in mind that it is possible to obtain a Certificate >> > of Lawful Development for Existing Use - CLUED. The general proviso >> > being that you must be able to substantiate that the "existing use" has >> > persisted for a period of 10 years. Always worth investigating as the >> > granting of such a certificate is "evidence-based" and not supposed to >> > be at the whim of an official. >> > >> > 73 >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 20:38 +0100, Peter Dodd wrote: >> > > Hi Graham, >> > > How the mast is fixed into the ground is irrelevant. The planning >> > > permission is just for the mast. There is no distinction between >> > > permanent and temporary in the planning laws to my knowledge, >> > > >> > > In the past some have tried to circumvent the planning restriction by >> > > having a portable (mast on trailer) arrangement but I don't think that >> > > works. >> > > >> > > I live in rather a stuffy private estate and I got permission on >> > > appeal on the grounds that the mast was fold-over and I [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.160.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (andy.g4jnt[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 318d3d373f5ffaa82e0969bd1985b258 Subject: Re: LF: UK Ae mast planning info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:489481792:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d249.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fa556f05496 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Can you resend the attachment in a format we can actually read. .PDF would be ideal, but what's wrong with .doc Andy G4JNT On 5 May 2012 16:12, pat wrote: > Hi All, > > Mal, actually the CLUED is just a little more complicated than just 4 > years as a qualifying period. A 10 year period can apply to some aspects > as you will read in the attachment. The attachment is from a journal > called Local Government Lawyer and is guidance to those professionally > engaged in such matters. The appropriate law books have this in more > detailed and technical form. > > Trust this will clarify the position. > > If any have problems with .odt I can provide .doc or .rtf > (in a world of open systems, who needs windows and gates or other > "Bloatware Inc" products) > > > > > > > On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 10:44 +0000, mal hamilton wrote: >> 4 years is the requirement NOT 10 years >> >> de G3KEV >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "pat" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 1:02 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: UK Ae mast planning info >> >> >> > Hi Peter, >> > >> > It's worth bearing in mind that it is possible to obtain a Certificate >> > of Lawful Development for Existing Use - CLUED. The general proviso >> > being that you must be able to substantiate that the "existing use" ha= s >> > persisted for a period of 10 years. Always worth investigating as the >> > granting of such a certificate is "evidence-based" and not supposed to >> > be at the whim of an official. >> > >> > 73 >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 20:38 +0100, Peter Dodd wrote: >> > > Hi Graham, >> > > How the mast is fixed into the ground is irrelevant. The planning >> > > permission is just for the mast. There is no distinction between >> > > permanent and temporary in the planning laws to my knowledge, >> > > >> > > In the past some have tried to circumvent the planning restriction b= y >> > > having a portable (mast on trailer) arrangement but I don't think th= at >> > > works. >> > > >> > > I live in rather a stuffy private estate and I got permission on >> > > appeal on the grounds that the mast was fold-over and I agreed to on= ly >> > > have it raised at night. Over the years the people who made all the >> > > fuss about the antenna have since died and I put it up when I like. >> > > Whether this is due to indifference or fear that the curse of the >> > > radio mast will strike again is not known. >> > > >> > > >> > > Peter, G3LDO >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 26/04/2012 18:53, Graham wrote: >> > > > Can anyone =A0advise on the =A0planning =A0relevance =A0/ requirem= ents to >> > > > these =A0questions =A0, with =A0regards to =A0Ae pole =A0at the = =A0bottom of the >> > > > garden >> > > > >> > > > 1. Is the secure base moveable or is it concreted into the ground? >> > > > 2. Can the mast be readily removed from the secure base? >> > > > 3. If the mast is a permanent structure, has the refurbishment >> > > > resulted in the erection of an entirely new mast, >> > > > >> > > > what =A0is the =A0relevance =A0of the =A0base =A0being concreted i= nto the >> > > > ground ? >> > > > >> > > > I assume the =A0question =A0of =A0detaching =A0the =A0pole from th= e =A0base =A0is >> > > > one =A0of =A0permanent =A0or temporary =A0structure ? >> > > > >> > > > replacing =A0like with =A0like =A0would =A0not =A0be classed as = =A0a =A0new mast ? >> > > > >> > > > Tnx -G >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > __________________________________________________________________= __ >> > > > >> > > > No virus found in this message. >> > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > > > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4959 - Release Date: >> > > > 04/25/12 >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > 73 es gd dx de Pat G4GVW, Nr Felixstowe, East Coast, UK >> > >> > >> >> > > -- > 73 es gd dx de Pat G4GVW, Nr Felixstowe, East Coast, UK