Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D81A438000096; Sat, 12 May 2012 17:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1STJie-0003cQ-JX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 22:19:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1STJid-0003cH-PH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 22:19:15 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1STJib-00054K-T7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 22:19:14 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAK/Srk8+GMr+/2dsb2JhbAA7CIV5rXeBCIIVAQEEASMzERcHBAsEDQMBAQESCw4CAjkWCAYTiAADBgmnfognC4lVixoVhFuBGASmPYJq X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,578,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="385865461" Received: from host-62-24-202-254.as13285.net (HELO ms7nec.int.opaltelecom.net) ([62.24.202.254]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 12 May 2012 22:19:11 +0100 Received: from (95.145.115.185) by webmail.talktalk.co.uk; Sat, 12 May 2012 22:19:11 +0100 Message-ID: <9594784.11191336857551453.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 22:19:11 +0100 (BST) From: "cmwb@talktalk.net" To: In-Reply-To: <2F01B22C46F144A3A06BA3CCC6745835@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9B5CC3AEC08644F1B2C437E0549C3908@JimPC> <2F01B22C46F144A3A06BA3CCC6745835@AGB> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: As far as I know the three transmitters have rubidium standards and no phase locking. There was some mush area steering (receive loops at Pontop Pike near Newcastle) but this was disconnected some 25 years ago. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 21e2055b299bd63ed331c37c8a3e15ca Subject: Re: LF: Droitwich off-air? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1305_4492596.1336857551453" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:441567072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61894faed4231166 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_Part_1305_4492596.1336857551453 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As far as I know the three transmitters have rubidium standards and no phase locking. There was some mush area steering (receive loops at Pontop Pike near Newcastle) but this was disconnected some 25 years ago. Regards Colin ----Original Message---- From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk Date: 12/05/2012 13:51 To: Subj: Re: LF: Droitwich off-air? I think the relays are locked to the main signal ( off air?), presume are in 'idle' with no ref to lock .... I know driving to Scotland, there is a area where the 198 signal is 'mushy'/'wobbly' as one signal fades and the relay takes over .. for want of a better description G. -------------------------------------------------- From: "James Moritz" Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:32 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Droitwich off-air? > Dear Roelof, LF Group, > > At my QTH there are 2 carriers visible at about the same level, one close > to the nominal 198kHz, the other about 0.1Hz low, which probably accounts > for the QSB. A third, much weaker carrier about 30dB down, is visible > about 0.1Hz high. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roelof Bakker" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:07 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Droitwich off-air? > > >> Hello James, >> >> I do hear the relay station at about S-9 here. >> Interestingly it shows fading of about 8 dB, at times severely distorting >> the reception quality. >> >> 73, >> Roelof, pa0rdt > > ------=_Part_1305_4492596.1336857551453 Content-Type: text/html;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As far as I know the three transmitters have rubidium standards and no= phase locking.
There was some mush area steering (receive loops at Pontop Pike near N= ewcastle) but this was disconnected some 25 years ago.
 
Regards
            Col= in

----Original Message----
From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk
Da= te: 12/05/2012 13:51
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subj: = Re: LF: Droitwich off-air?

I think the  relays  are locked= to the  main signal ( off air?), presume are
in  'idle' = ; with  no  ref  to  lock .... I know  driving to&= nbsp; Scotland, there
is a  area  where  the  198 s= ignal  is 'mushy'/'wobbly'   as  one  signal
f= ades   and the  relay  takes over .. for  want&nbs= p; of a  better  description

G.

-------------------= -------------------------------
From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@bt= openworld.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:32 PM
To: <rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: Re: LF: Droitwich off-air?

&g= t; Dear Roelof, LF Group,
>
> At my QTH there are 2 carriers vi= sible at about the same level, one close
> to the nominal 198kHz, th= e other about 0.1Hz low, which probably accounts
> for the QSB. A th= ird, much weaker carrier about 30dB down, is visible
> about 0.1Hz h= igh.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>= ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roelof Bakker" <roelof@ndb= .demon.nl>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent= : Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:07 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Droitwich off-ai= r?
>
>
>> Hello James,
>>
>> I do he= ar the relay station at about S-9 here.
>> Interestingly it shows = fading of about 8 dB, at times severely distorting
>> the recepti= on quality.
>>
>> 73,
>> Roelof, pa0rdt
><= BR>>



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