Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1B2483800008D; Fri, 25 May 2012 12:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SXxaR-0005vY-TG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 17:41:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SXxaR-0005vP-BZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 17:41:59 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SXxaP-0006rV-DB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 17:41:58 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.46.126]) by mwinf5d04 with ME id EGhw1j00D2jLhoq03Ghw1N; Fri, 25 May 2012 18:41:56 +0200 Message-ID: <6F0A4D4F8F8A45F78F82773B091BBF2D@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 17:41:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Perhaps standalone groups are / tend to focus on narrow topic = areas ? I think myself and Gary could of been proud of the google based = uk500khz group, It was well used and we had built up quite a = library of links' and articles only to become bystanders as the = facility was systematically trashed by google ... in there lies = a warning , we did migrate most of the information to the yahoo = based uk500khz , but the functionality is not the same as the = original, possibly with the issue of the 'new' 500 band , activity = will return, the group was formed in 2007 , yes we have all been = at it a long time ! Moderation may be too much of a wide brush, ''Sysop'' was a problem in the early days , with coordinated = membership applications , but in reality as the user (interest) base = was quite small, it was not a show stopper. notably, the new = Opera yahoo group , now with over 500 members from a ww pool = has had very little attention from spam or other problems , I can = think of only one 'member' that has been removed ,=20 Content Moderation, that's where things as Mal points out becomes = a little sticky , who is to say who is right or wrong ? and what = do you do if you don't agree with what you read ? we often see = comments ''that this has been stopped as being off topic'' if = a topic can be so defined, then its indicating the group is = narrowly focused , which is back to a catch-22 situation..... G.. From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 4:50 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: LEAVE IT ALONE The current LF/MF reflector is doing fine, and I suggest LEAVE IT ALONE. = For those that want to go elsewhere GO GO. I have not yet heard a good argument in favour of a move. In fact the = one or two shouting loudest about Yahoo are seldom or NEVER heard/seen = on any of the MF/LF frequencies. The arguments put forward by the majority of experienced operators to = date to stay with the current reflector are constructive and sensible.=20 I am active most days on 137 and 500 Khz mainly using CW and QRSS also = active on HF and VHF=20 i can always be contacted by private emails for skeds etc if ever this = reflector packs in and will not be moving to YAHOO with all the = politics, red tape and censorship and appliance operator rules de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0139_01CD3A9D.ADC83CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would  tend to  agree , the  reflector  is = one of=20 those relic's  that  still   performs a  = useful =20 function, (bit  like a  avo-8) I would suggest that  = most of=20 the  traffic on the  ref is  of a  'flash' =20 nature  and  requires  nothing  more than  = simple=20 delivery to  those  interested, if not  then  = is =20 been  and  gone.
 
Perhaps standalone  groups  are / tend  to  = focus=20 on  narrow  topic areas ?
 
I think  myself  and Gary could  of  been  = proud=20 of the  google  based  uk500khz  group, It was  = well  used  and  we  had  built up quite = a =20 library of links' and  articles only  to  become =20 bystanders  as the  facility  was =20 systematically   trashed  by  google ... in = there =20 lies  a  warning ,  we  did  migrate most of = the =20 information  to the  yahoo  based  uk500khz , but = the =20 functionality is  not the  same as the  original, = possibly =20 with the  issue of the  'new' 500  band , activity=20 will  return,  the  group was  formed  in  = 2007  , yes we have all  been at it  a  long  = time=20 !
 
Moderation may be  too  much  of a wide brush,
 
''Sysop''  was a problem in the  early  days , = with =20 coordinated membership applications , but in reality  as  = the =20 user (interest)  base  was  quite small, it  = was =20 not a  show  stopper. notably, the  new  Opera  = yahoo  group , now with  over  500  members  = from=20 a  ww  pool  has  had  very  little =20 attention from spam or  other  problems , I can  think = of =20 only  one  'member' that has been  removed ,
 
Content Moderation, that's  where  things  as =20 Mal  points out becomes  a little  sticky , who  is = to =20 say  who  is  right or  wrong ? and what  = do =20 you  do  if you  don't  agree  with  what = you read=20 ? we often see comments  ''that  this  has  = been =20 stopped  as  being  off  topic''   if = a=20 topic  can be  so  defined, then its  indicating = the =20 group is  narrowly focused , which is  back to a  = catch-22=20 situation.....
 
G..
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 4:50 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: LF: LEAVE IT ALONE

The current LF/MF reflector is doing fine, and I suggest LEAVE IT = ALONE.=20 For those that want to go elsewhere GO GO.
I have not yet heard a good argument in favour of a move. In fact = the one=20 or two shouting loudest about Yahoo are seldom or NEVER heard/seen  = on any=20 of the MF/LF frequencies.
The arguments put forward by the majority of experienced operators = to date=20 to stay with the current reflector are constructive and sensible.
I am active most days on 137 and 500 Khz mainly using CW and QRSS = also=20 active on HF and VHF
i can always be contacted by private emails for skeds etc if ever = this=20 reflector packs in and will not be moving to YAHOO with all the = politics, red=20 tape and censorship and appliance operator rules
 
de mal/g3kev
 
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