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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Clemens, Oh, OK. But anyway it was a very good hint to mention the JUMA 500 TX since it leads me to the CMCD design and this paper which nicely describes the problem of the VMCD desgin which i am trying in my first tests. The output C of the FETs is the problem. Since i want to have a relatively high power (100W) at 12V DC, the primary impedance is very low. So i have to use FETs with a very low on-resistance, ideally as low as possible of course. To find them is no problem (e.g. IRFP4368 ), but the output C is much to high then. I tried a IRZF48N (2 of them of course) as a compromise between RDSon and Cout but am just getting 60% efficiency at 70W in the first attempt. That's not acceptable for a /p PA that has to stay compact, i.e. without a big heat sink and/or a fan... 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But anyway it was a very good hint to mention the JUMA 500 TX since it leads me to the CMCD design and this paper which nicely describes the problem of the VMCD desgin which i am trying in my first tests. The output C of the FETs is the problem. Since i want to have a relatively high power (100W) at 12V DC, the primary impedance is very low. So i have to use FETs with a very low on-resistance, ideally as low as possible of course. To find them is no problem (e.g. IRFP4368 ), but the output C is much to high then. I tried a IRZF48N (2 of them of course) as a compromise between RDSon and Cout but am just getting 60% efficiency at 70W in the first attempt. That's not acceptable for a /p PA that has to stay compact, i.e. without a big heat sink and/or a fan... The basics are well explained in this paper, makes fun to read :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 31.05.2012 13:08, schrieb Clemens Paul: >> It costs 300 Euro which is not to much. > > Unfortunately you have to add 23%VAT tax within EU and shipping costs > which I estimate to 30-40 Euro. > So we end up somewhere around 400 Euro. > Interesting kit,though. > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > --------------040900080606070806030904 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Clemens,

Oh, OK. But anyway it was a very good hint to mention the JUMA 500 TX since it leads me to the CMCD design and this paper which nicely describes the problem of the VMCD desgin which i am trying in my first tests.
The output C of the FETs is the problem. Since i want to have a relatively high power (100W) at 12V DC, the primary impedance is very low. So i have to use FETs with a very low on-resistance, ideally as low as possible of course. To find them is no problem (e.g. IRFP4368), but the output C is much to high then. I tried a IRZF48N (2 of them of course) as a compromise between RDSon and Cout but am just getting 60% efficiency at 70W in the first attempt. That's not acceptable for a /p PA that has to stay compact, i.e. without a big heat sink and/or a fan...

The basics are well explained in this paper, makes fun to read :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 31.05.2012 13:08, schrieb Clemens Paul:
It costs 300 Euro which is not to much.

Unfortunately you have to add 23%VAT tax within EU and shipping costs
which I estimate to 30-40 Euro.
So we end up somewhere around 400 Euro.
Interesting kit,though.

73
Clemens
DL4RAJ


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