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Content preview: Chris (AYT), Yahoo group moderation is totally optional but there are (albeit rare) situations when totally inappropriate postings need this. Nothing wrong with healthy on-topic discussion but there have been examples on this list of, frankly, very nasty and hurtful comments which would better have been removed. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.212.181 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 MIME_QP_LONG_LINE RAW: Quoted-printable line longer than 76 chars 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 052e5a7ab87161a07560b72babff3441 Subject: Re: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-91D40C40-420B-4191-B204-C2380647A409 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488938368:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m286.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584fbf76c45e53 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-91D40C40-420B-4191-B204-C2380647A409 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chris (AYT), Yahoo group moderation is totally optional but there are (albeit rare) situa= tions when totally inappropriate postings need this. Nothing wrong with heal= thy on-topic discussion but there have been examples on this list of, frankl= y, very nasty and hurtful comments which would better have been removed.=20 I shall say nothing further about this (for now) but like Pete (FMT) believe= all the collected wisdom here would be better stored and shared in a Yahoo g= roup. It is far more likely to encourage newcomers if the circuits, links, p= hotos and history was more easily available.=20 What IS the big objection to this?=20 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 25 May 2012, at 12:09, "Chris" wrote: > Yes, I agree with you Mal, and that's why I sent the 'no thanks' message a= fter Roger outlined the "advantages"....and it's got even worse now someone h= as suggested vetting group members! > Chris, G4AYT. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:17 PM > Subject: Re: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE >=20 > A moderator !!!!!!!!!!!!! or a censor !!!!!!!!!! and if you have an opinio= n that differs from others you should be BANNED. > No discussion, no debate in other words a DICTORSHIP, hardly democratic. > What next ??????????? > I can manage without any of it and get on with amateur radio and experimen= tation. These past few days without the reflector has not hindered my amateu= r radio activities and I do not need to be vetted by others !! > Do what you like but leave me OUT > G3KEV > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alberto di Bene > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 5:17 PM > Subject: Re: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE >=20 > On 5/24/2012 6:33 PM, g3zjo wrote: >>=20 >> Why not go for it and start it yourself. >> We know some will not move so it will be an additional facility. P= lease make sure it is has no taboo, f >> frequencies, modes, opinions, or subjects rules, and no childish sulking.= > Another suggestion is to not make it an open group, meaning that each requ= est for membership should be > accompanied by a very short introductory message explaining why that membe= rship is requested. > Then the moderator(s) of the group will decide whether to accept it or not= . I suppose the same is done > presently with the Majordomo mailer. >=20 > And, if that introductory message is convincing, but up to a point... then= the moderator can accept the individual, > but putting him in moderation status, meaning that every message from him m= ust be examined by the moderator(s) > before being published. The moderation status can be removed after a coup= le of legitimate messages from the guy, > showing that he is not a troll or spammer. >=20 > I use this method on my soft_radio Yahoo group =20 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/soft_radio/ > with more than 2300 subscribers, and, if memory serves, I had just a coupl= e of cases where a spam message=20 > got through in more than 8 years of the existence of that group. >=20 > 73 Alberto I2PHD >=20 --Apple-Mail-91D40C40-420B-4191-B204-C2380647A409 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Chris (AYT),
Yahoo group moderation is totally optional but there are (albeit= rare) situations when totally inappropriate postings need this. Nothing wro= ng with healthy on-topic discussion but there have been examples on this lis= t of, frankly, very nasty and hurtful comments which would better have been r= emoved. 

I shall say nothing further about thi= s (for now) but like Pete (FMT) believe all the collected wisdom here would b= e better stored and shared in a Yahoo group. It is far more likely to encour= age newcomers if the circuits, links, photos and history was more easily ava= ilable. 

What IS the big objection to this?&nb= sp;

73s
Roger G3XBM

<= div>



-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 25 May 2012, at 12:09, "Chris" <c.ashby435@btinternet.com> wrote:

Yes, I agree with you Mal, and that's w= hy I sent=20 the 'no thanks' message after Roger outlined the "advantages"....and it's go= t=20 even worse now someone has suggested vetting group members!
Chris, G4AYT.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:17=20= PM
Subject: Re: LF: An "LF-reflector" Y= ahoo=20 group instead .....PLEASE

A moderator !!!!!!!!!!!!! or a censor !!!!!!!!!!= and if=20 you have an opinion that differs from others you should be=20 BANNED.
No discussion, no debate in other words a DICTOR= SHIP,=20 hardly democratic.
What next ???????????
I can manage without any of it and get on with a= mateur=20 radio and experimentation. These past few days without the reflector has n= ot=20 hindered my amateur radio activities and I do not need to be vetted by oth= ers=20 !!
Do what you like but leave me OUT
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
= From:=20 Alberto di Be= ne=20
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 5:17= =20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: An "LF-reflector= "=20 Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE

On 5/24/2012 6:33 PM, g3zjo wrote:=20
<= i>Why=20 not go for it and start it yourself.
We know some will not move so i= t=20 will be an additional facility. Please make sure it is has no taboo,=20= f
frequencies, modes, opinions, or subjects rules, and no childish=20= sulking.
Another suggestion is to not make it an open g= roup,=20 meaning that each request for membership should be
accompanied by a v= ery=20 short introductory message explaining why that membership is=20 requested.
Then the moderator(s) of the group will decide whether to=20= accept it or not.  I suppose the same is done
presently with the= =20 Majordomo mailer.

And, if that introductory message is convincing= ,=20 but up to a point... then the moderator can accept the individual,
bu= t=20 putting him in moderation status, meaning that every message from him mu= st=20 be examined by the moderator(s)
before being published.  The=20 moderation status can be removed after a couple of legitimate messages f= rom=20 the guy,
showing that he is not a troll or spammer.

I use this= =20 method on my soft_radio  Yahoo group  
http= ://groups.yahoo.com/group/soft_radio/
with=20 more than 2300 subscribers, and, if memory serves, I had just a couple o= f=20 cases where a spam message
got through in more than 8 years of the=20= existence of that group.

73  Alberto =20 I2PHD

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