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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, Perhaps the answer to your problem is adequately answered by the following example. : I have just acquired an appliance. It is a Sony Stereo FM/AM tuner. It is an appliance that arrived with an operations manual. I am happy to accept that having purchased that which is an appliance I have been given "appliance" operators' instructions. After all, I am operating an appliance. However, as is my wont, and requiring a more 'technical' relationship with my purchase (and the means to provide my own technical support) I have also acquired via a separate route, the appropriate Sony Service Manual wherein are the specifications (insofar as Sony have seen fit to provide) that may be of little significant value to the average appliance operator but certainly satisfy my technical interests in the product. 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It is a Sony Stereo FM/AM tuner. It is an appliance that arrived with an operations manual. I am happy to accept that having purchased that which is an appliance I have been given "appliance" operators' instructions. After all, I am operating an appliance. However, as is my wont, and requiring a more 'technical' relationship with my purchase (and the means to provide my own technical support) I have also acquired via a separate route, the appropriate Sony Service Manual wherein are the specifications (insofar as Sony have seen fit to provide) that may be of little significant value to the average appliance operator but certainly satisfy my technical interests in the product. The product was purchased by me, fully aware that only certain information would be provided as standard but I had established that the other information was accessible and available. Methinks that "in finale" the phrase "caveat emptor" is resonant. On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 17:16 +0000, mal hamilton wrote: > mf/lf > Reference recent message about flex 3000 radio. I am surprised how > little is known about this radio and how it works. The manual only > describes the appliance operator approach and virtually no technical > information. > 73 de mal/g3kev > -- 73 es gd dx de Pat G4GVW, Nr Felixstowe, East Coast, UK