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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I am afraid you are wandering off and it is not complicated for those that know. You are causing confusion. It is 4 years for amateur radio masts. If a mast has been in use for 4 years continuously and a person can supply the necessary evidence then a certificate for lawful development will be issued. It does not matter how the antenna is secured to the ground for a permanent structure. If the antenna is mobile on a trailer and not secured to the ground then normally planning is not required. de g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA X-Scan-Signature: c40596c1cc3306f1877076595a921c57 Subject: Re: LF: UK Ae mast planning info Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:474402880:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61864fa560a1661e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I am afraid you are wandering off and it is not complicated for those that know. You are causing confusion. It is 4 years for amateur radio masts. If a mast has been in use for 4 years continuously and a person can supply the necessary evidence then a certificate for lawful development will be issued. It does not matter how the antenna is secured to the ground for a permanent structure. If the antenna is mobile on a trailer and not secured to the ground then normally planning is not required. de g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat" To: Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 3:12 PM Subject: Re: LF: UK Ae mast planning info > Hi All, > > Mal, actually the CLUED is just a little more complicated than just 4 > years as a qualifying period. A 10 year period can apply to some aspects > as you will read in the attachment. The attachment is from a journal > called Local Government Lawyer and is guidance to those professionally > engaged in such matters. The appropriate law books have this in more > detailed and technical form. > > Trust this will clarify the position. > > If any have problems with .odt I can provide .doc or .rtf > (in a world of open systems, who needs windows and gates or other > "Bloatware Inc" products) > > > > > > > On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 10:44 +0000, mal hamilton wrote: > > 4 years is the requirement NOT 10 years > > > > de G3KEV > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "pat" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 1:02 PM > > Subject: Re: LF: UK Ae mast planning info > > > > > > > Hi Peter, > > > > > > It's worth bearing in mind that it is possible to obtain a Certificate > > > of Lawful Development for Existing Use - CLUED. The general proviso > > > being that you must be able to substantiate that the "existing use" has > > > persisted for a period of 10 years. Always worth investigating as the > > > granting of such a certificate is "evidence-based" and not supposed to > > > be at the whim of an official. > > > > > > 73 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 20:38 +0100, Peter Dodd wrote: > > > > Hi Graham, > > > > How the mast is fixed into the ground is irrelevant. The planning > > > > permission is just for the mast. There is no distinction between > > > > permanent and temporary in the planning laws to my knowledge, > > > > > > > > In the past some have tried to circumvent the planning restriction by > > > > having a portable (mast on trailer) arrangement but I don't think that > > > > works. > > > > > > > > I live in rather a stuffy private estate and I got permission on > > > > appeal on the grounds that the mast was fold-over and I agreed to only > > > > have it raised at night. Over the years the people who made all the > > > > fuss about the antenna have since died and I put it up when I like. > > > > Whether this is due to indifference or fear that the curse of the > > > > radio mast will strike again is not known. > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter, G3LDO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 26/04/2012 18:53, Graham wrote: > > > > > Can anyone advise on the planning relevance / requirements to > > > > > these questions , with regards to Ae pole at the bottom of the > > > > > garden > > > > > > > > > > 1. Is the secure base moveable or is it concreted into the ground? > > > > > 2. Can the mast be readily removed from the secure base? > > > > > 3. If the mast is a permanent structure, has the refurbishment > > > > > resulted in the erection of an entirely new mast, > > > > > > > > > > what is the relevance of the base being concreted into the > > > > > ground ? > > > > > > > > > > I assume the question of detaching the pole from the base is > > > > > one of permanent or temporary structure ? > > > > > > > > > > replacing like with like would not be classed as a new mast ? > > > > > > > > > > Tnx -G > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4959 - Release Date: > > > > > 04/25/12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > 73 es gd dx de Pat G4GVW, Nr Felixstowe, East Coast, UK > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > 73 es gd dx de Pat G4GVW, Nr Felixstowe, East Coast, UK >