Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8EB0238000091; Thu, 24 May 2012 16:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SXeFA-0007tw-GX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2012 21:02:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SXeF9-0007tn-Un for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2012 21:02:43 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SXeF7-0002OS-He for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2012 21:02:42 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 May 2012 19:55:56 -0000 Received: from p4FDD6ACC.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [79.221.106.204] by mail.gmx.net (mp001) with SMTP; 24 May 2012 21:55:56 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19Nf/R3m2dNa2FoFPwDDjXhMHtoK+TLVUUpm5UKKJ OSMKc58/PUhX1D Message-ID: <003601cd39e7$3be9d060$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <4FBE62F1.9020203@psk31.plus.com> <4FBE6D2A.6000907@usa.net> <006b01cd39e2$0b66efe0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 21:55:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: >Do what you like but leave me OUT >G3KEV I vote for yahoo.) 73 Clemens DL4RAJ [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.23 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f9f85a03ab18710b130c40acc03380f0 Subject: Re: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01CD39F7.FAB6ED10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:492610400:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184fbe94313fcb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01CD39F7.FAB6ED10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Do what you like but leave me OUT >G3KEV I vote for yahoo.) 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE A moderator !!!!!!!!!!!!! or a censor !!!!!!!!!! and if you have an opinion that differs from others you should be BANNED. No discussion, no debate in other words a DICTORSHIP, hardly democratic. What next ??????????? I can manage without any of it and get on with amateur radio and experimentation. These past few days without the reflector has not hindered my amateur radio activities and I do not need to be vetted by others !! Do what you like but leave me OUT G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto di Bene To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 5:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE On 5/24/2012 6:33 PM, g3zjo wrote: Why not go for it and start it yourself. We know some will not move so it will be an additional facility. Please make sure it is has no taboo, f frequencies, modes, opinions, or subjects rules, and no childish sulking. Another suggestion is to not make it an open group, meaning that each request for membership should be accompanied by a very short introductory message explaining why that membership is requested. Then the moderator(s) of the group will decide whether to accept it or not. I suppose the same is done presently with the Majordomo mailer. And, if that introductory message is convincing, but up to a point... then the moderator can accept the individual, but putting him in moderation status, meaning that every message from him must be examined by the moderator(s) before being published. The moderation status can be removed after a couple of legitimate messages from the guy, showing that he is not a troll or spammer. I use this method on my soft_radio Yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/soft_radio/ with more than 2300 subscribers, and, if memory serves, I had just a couple of cases where a spam message got through in more than 8 years of the existence of that group. 73 Alberto I2PHD E-Mail ist virenfrei. 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>Do what you like but leave me = OUT
>G3KEV
 
I vote for yahoo.)
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 = 9:17=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: An = "LF-reflector" Yahoo=20 group instead .....PLEASE

A moderator !!!!!!!!!!!!! or a censor = !!!!!!!!!! and if=20 you have an opinion that differs from others you should be=20 BANNED.
No discussion, no debate in other words a = DICTORSHIP,=20 hardly democratic.
What next ???????????
I can manage without any of it and get on with = amateur=20 radio and experimentation. These past few days without the reflector = has not=20 hindered my amateur radio activities and I do not need to be vetted by = others=20 !!
Do what you like but leave me OUT
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alberto di = Bene=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 = 5:17=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: An = "LF-reflector"=20 Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE

On 5/24/2012 6:33 PM, g3zjo wrote:=20
Why=20 not go for it and start it yourself.
We know some will not move = so it=20 will be an additional facility. Please make sure it is has no = taboo,=20 f
frequencies, modes, opinions, or subjects rules, and no = childish=20 sulking.
Another suggestion is to not make it an = open group,=20 meaning that each request for membership should be
accompanied by = a very=20 short introductory message explaining why that membership is=20 requested.
Then the moderator(s) of the group will decide whether = to=20 accept it or not.  I suppose the same is done
presently with = the=20 Majordomo mailer.

And, if that introductory message is = convincing,=20 but up to a point... then the moderator can accept the = individual,
but=20 putting him in moderation status, meaning that every message from = him must=20 be examined by the moderator(s)
before being published.  The = moderation status can be removed after a couple of legitimate = messages from=20 the guy,
showing that he is not a troll or spammer.

I use = this=20 method on my soft_radio  Yahoo group  
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/soft_radio/
with=20 more than 2300 subscribers, and, if memory serves, I had just a = couple of=20 cases where a spam message
got through in more than 8 years of = the=20 existence of that group.

73  Alberto =20 I2PHD

E-Mail ist = virenfrei.
Von AVG=20 =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de
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