Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4C0013800069F; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 13:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SLeZj-0004bg-Oa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:58:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SLeZj-0004bX-5e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:58:23 +0100 Received: from mail-iy0-f171.google.com ([209.85.210.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SLeZd-0006Tp-PQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:58:22 +0100 Received: by iadj38 with SMTP id j38so29466975iad.16 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:58:14 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=lkhnmNnGEUc/tLQ7Ulxlb5M6JtRTdInIqgeR2wtWj9E=; b=pdq4r7xXqnVLLud7+DprUESxoSUDkq/VCHV/AtRqhq7ZWNq2OWArB4gEk0EMztiYL1 zC77k5Zeh9bQXcrW35SZnEmCZwbgFAHu48nRS8PaqUb/04SQKhIFb17j7b6nQ8penXXG i8TDtQsE5jQQUs427wFMtT1lo27I4zCbt2PhHxOGsq/IV7R/Xa3Cz67rcnV+nAHB7wE9 QEhWHqsRsIfIQqkfXbFCa8MHb1WCfCF9+jXVreVYhk4J/g2g7RtGYnmiz7pofFA7AIDA GrXKPdDAfJzf3pRKHJks9ojW2uNHdEUUnYvlwnF+Nr/sbG2zuEINMMsF7Cg+UngaXDrJ 6mcg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.133.197 with SMTP id i5mr2169558ict.14.1335031094192; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.219.131 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:58:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <006d01cd1f3d$7963c460$4001a8c0@lark> References: <747B7F1ACC2344CA812AF33D422316C0@AGB> <002d01cd1f1a$5abe8ae0$4001a8c0@lark> <8CE7B218E1414CCF948FDAAF7F315812@AGB> <006d01cd1f3d$7963c460$4001a8c0@lark> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:58:14 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: One conclusion Peter 'PLX reached on our original 73kHz SlowCW (the proper term we used then, none of this new fangled Q code stuff) was that although the 73kHz path was very bursty with non Gaussian interfernec ewhen looked at in audible bandwidths, by the time it was averaged out over teh 40 second dot period we used, its properties were indistinguishable from pure AWGN. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:258789456:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d019.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4f92f59428ae X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none One conclusion Peter 'PLX reached on our original 73kHz SlowCW (the proper term we used then, none of this new fangled Q code stuff) was that although the 73kHz path was very bursty with non Gaussian interfernec ewhen looked at in audible bandwidths, by the time it was averaged out over teh 40 second dot period we used, its properties were indistinguishable from pure AWGN. I can't recally if 73kHz was worse or better than 137kHz in the nature of interference, but I think you can safely assume that in bandwidths of much less than [30seconds]^-1 the background noise is near-enough pure random Gaussian. So normal error curves apply. 3s dots may be susceptible though. Andy www.g4jnt.com > > S/N is an interesting point, I have no doubt people like Andy may have more > knowledge, but LF noise is not like other radio noise it is very "spikey" > and "bursty" (I believe the last term is actually an approved definition > :-)) A lot of tests assume it is random Gaussian and I dont really believe > that, though I have no data to dispute it. > >