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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Peter, It's worth bearing in mind that it is possible to obtain a Certificate of Lawful Development for Existing Use - CLUED. The general proviso being that you must be able to substantiate that the "existing use" has persisted for a period of 10 years. Always worth investigating as the granting of such a certificate is "evidence-based" and not supposed to be at the whim of an official. 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The general proviso being that you must be able to substantiate that the "existing use" has persisted for a period of 10 years. Always worth investigating as the granting of such a certificate is "evidence-based" and not supposed to be at the whim of an official. 73 On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 20:38 +0100, Peter Dodd wrote: > Hi Graham, > How the mast is fixed into the ground is irrelevant. The planning > permission is just for the mast. There is no distinction between > permanent and temporary in the planning laws to my knowledge, > > In the past some have tried to circumvent the planning restriction by > having a portable (mast on trailer) arrangement but I don't think that > works. > > I live in rather a stuffy private estate and I got permission on > appeal on the grounds that the mast was fold-over and I agreed to only > have it raised at night. Over the years the people who made all the > fuss about the antenna have since died and I put it up when I like. > Whether this is due to indifference or fear that the curse of the > radio mast will strike again is not known. > > > Peter, G3LDO > > > > On 26/04/2012 18:53, Graham wrote: > > Can anyone advise on the planning relevance / requirements to > > these questions , with regards to Ae pole at the bottom of the > > garden > > > > 1. Is the secure base moveable or is it concreted into the ground? > > 2. Can the mast be readily removed from the secure base? > > 3. If the mast is a permanent structure, has the refurbishment > > resulted in the erection of an entirely new mast, > > > > what is the relevance of the base being concreted into the > > ground ? > > > > I assume the question of detaching the pole from the base is > > one of permanent or temporary structure ? > > > > replacing like with like would not be classed as a new mast ? > > > > Tnx -G > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4959 - Release Date: > > 04/25/12 > > > -- 73 es gd dx de Pat G4GVW, Nr Felixstowe, East Coast, UK