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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan Thanks for the reply. I have been registered on the reflector from just prior to the Titanic weekend or whenever it was! Andy G4JNT suggested I registered (he is not far away) My set up at present is experimental and have even today, with the aid of your signal made several dB improvement. Currently just using the low QRG coverage of an IC735 with no pre-amp. Your previous report was in SSB BW. Since switched in the Narrow CW filter not sure of the spec. Just been listening (1600ish) and by ear I would give you 589 and can hear PA0??? on 137.5 559 but only caught a snatch of proper speed CWID (I can't QRSS yet). Also there is an UNID sig on 137.7 at s4. I will give you some more info as I get a bit more permanent. My first experience with VLF sigs was way back in the 60's. I was working at a company called Plessey (why I am down here in South) I used an old Racal RA17 that was available and used the heating system radiators and pipes as the ant and was hearing submarine comms system from the USA on around 8 - 10KHz CW as far as I recall. Getting old!! 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I have been registered on the reflector from just prior to the Titanic weekend or whenever it was! Andy G4JNT suggested I registered (he is not far away) My set up at present is experimental and have even today, with the aid of your signal made several dB improvement. Currently just using the low QRG coverage of an IC735 with no pre-amp. Your previous report was in SSB BW. Since switched in the Narrow CW filter not sure of the spec. Just been listening (1600ish) and by ear I would give you 589 and can hear PA0??? on 137.5 559 but only caught a snatch of proper speed CWID (I can't QRSS yet). Also there is an UNID sig on 137.7 at s4. I will give you some more info as I get a bit more permanent. My first experience with VLF sigs was way back in the 60's. I was working at a company called Plessey (why I am down here in South) I used an old Racal RA17 that was available and used the heating system radiators and pipes as the ant and was hearing submarine comms system from the USA on around 8 - 10KHz CW as far as I recall. Getting old!! 73 de Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefan Schäfer Sent: 30 April 2012 16:01 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: 137 kHz SWL report from a tube Audion Hello Mike, LF, Nice to hear from you here, the first time for me i think. Many thanks for the report, also to Terry/GW0EZY. Which receiver do you use and which CW filter did you choose? How long are you member of the reflector and what have you done on 137 so far, or what do you plan? I'm also impressed by the signal here in 200km distance. I just took a walk in the forest and made a recording and took some captures. From this location you can see the Netbook, RX and ferrite antenna http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/Ferriteantennainthefores tJO41.jpg It's very comfortable to have a complete LF receive system in a bagpack, leight weight and sensitive. It does not need a ground and does not need to be highly lifted above he ground. Trees are no problem. DCF39 is 90 dB S/N in 1 Hz NBW, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DCF39aus%20dem%20Sauerla nd.png (when the antenna points to DCF) My own signal is strongest when the loop just cancels out DCF, it is 50 dB S/N in 1 Hz then, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FCaus%20dem%20Sauerla nd.png I'm however not sure if the signal peak level is correct due to the keyed signal... Unfortunately there were no other LF amateur signals on the band... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 30.04.2012 14:17, schrieb Mike: > Hi Stefan > You have provided me with my first amateur signal on 136 you > are 559 now > 1216utc IO90MS09 South Coast England. Perfect copy with a > 10m vertical. > 73 de Mike G3JVL > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of > Stefan Schäfer > Sent: 30 April 2012 11:29 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: 137 kHz SWL report from a tube Audion > > > Hello group, > > Since yesterday in the afternoon, i'm running a CW beacon > again at 137.0 > kHz. Speed is about 25 BPM i guess. > It was intended to generate a test signal for my antenna > tests here in > the holiday camp in JO41. > After seeing two interesting spots in the DX cluster ( > http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=50&cust > omRange=137 > ) i decided to run it some days longer, knowing that many LF > listeners > can cross the way (=spectrum) and note that there is > something going on > in the LF amateur band. > > This time i got a mail from Horst/DL2SAV near Stuttgart > (JN48 i think). > He gave me a very interesting report. He is using no amateur > radio to > receive LF but an old tube radio from the 60's > (Schaub-Lorenz) and a > homemade tube Audion. He tells that DCF39 seems to work as > the BFO, so > he can hear me in normal AM mode, like a NDB. Today he sent > me 3 > recordings which sound very fascinating for me. If you want > to listen, > here the link: > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_137kHz_30Apr12_amT > ag_mit_Audion.mp3 > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/Dk7FC_137kHz_30Apr_12_mi > t_Radio_Schaub_Lorenz.mp3 > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_137kHz_30_Apr_112_ > mit_Audiion.mp3 > > What i don't understand: If DCF39 is the BFO and i am > transmitting at > 137.0, then the CW sidetone should be 1830 Hz (LSB, > 138.83-137.0)? But > the tone from the Audion sounds rather like 800 Hz for me. > Maybe someone > has an explanation. > > BTW the beacon is stilll on the air... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2410.1.1/4966 - Release > Date: 04/30/12 07:55:00 > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2410.1.1/4966 - Release Date: 04/30/12 07:55:00