Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D507A380000B2; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SAUaj-0004C2-Ry for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 23:05:17 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SAUaj-0004Bt-6a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 23:05:17 +0000 Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.39]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SAUag-0000S7-MM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 23:05:17 +0000 Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q2LN59aG018176 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:05:09 -0400 Received: from core-msd003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.9]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AB2ACE000089 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:05:09 -0400 (EDT) References: <8CED505AF2A3E46-1FA8-1AFF2@webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com> <8CED5062B9C2DD7-1FA8-1B02F@webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com> <160601A6C60C4449ACF9D1E0A9BA73DF@White> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <160601A6C60C4449ACF9D1E0A9BA73DF@White> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Markus Vester X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35775-STANDARD Received: from 77.190.81.239 by webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com (64.12.140.163) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:05:09 -0400 Message-Id: <8CED5CE328D8887-788-213FA@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [77.190.81.239] Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:05:09 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1332371109; bh=bgzjFf72PF+JTQkiqhxtHXLUrTVEY6mozEwMu8btJcU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sEikGUB+lyJlhB9tmS4dLMq+h/7BEWk/mX5nzwTVnAY2sjE2a1iDsgBj3MpGgsOjL L7OiWX62O5mGswyQoSVFVKYcoBtsxNe9CZyE5UyrI5jP0BaqR9malegd6jH9zje27r 0aLZPG6lbIHvSFg5Xs9CxJ2/I7c+9J4Lcys8pqbQ= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:466324352:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Wildwood Loran-C on air again Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CED5CE32996F85_788_841B8_webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,SEE_FOR_YOURSELF autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:484872960:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d304.2 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41174f6a5ee57a43 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CED5CE32996F85_788_841B8_webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Wildwood is again transmitting experimental Loran signals on GRI 8970 M and= X tonight. Traces are becoming visible here in the two rightmost slots on http://www.alice-dsl.net/df6nm/LoranView/LoranGrabber.htm On the US east coast, it should be audible on 100 kHz, and some of the fami= liar lines should have reappeard on 137 kHz spectrograms. Best regards, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Di, 20 Mrz 2012 11:44 pm Betreff: Re: LF: Fwd: US Loran - got it! There's also a 8970 master emission, with the same fading history, and abou= t 2.4 ms earlier here than if it would come from Dana. Thus Wildwood is cur= rently transmitting both M and X signals.=20 =20 Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) From: Markus Vester=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 12:13 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Fwd: US Loran - got it! Hey Chris, =20 it's there! I have added five slots 8970 m,w,x,y,z to the right of my LV di= splay, and since 22 UT I'm indeed getting a trace in the X slot allocated t= o Seneca. It's about 12 pixels (0.55 ms) late here, so either the emission = delay or the location must be wrong.=20 =20 Someone reported that the emissions are actually from the Loran Support Cen= ter, Wildwood NJ (Cape May, 38.9464N 74.8668W). According to Google Earth = this is 6595 km from me, 164 km further than Seneca. That's exactly 0.55 ms= extra delay! So we know that they are transmitting from Wildwood using Sen= eca parameters.=20 =20 If you like to see it yourself, you can simply add a line containing "8970x= " at the end of the stations section, after the GPS entry. Thanks for the tip! =20 Best 73, Markus =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Chris 4X1RF An: Markus Vester Verschickt: Di, 20 Mrz 2012 2:29 pm Betreff: US Loran Hi Markus, >From the 'time-nuts' list, yesterday evening around 20UTC the 8970x Seneca = N.Y. station was reported as being active. 73s Chris ----------MB_8CED5CE32996F85_788_841B8_webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Wildwood is again transmitting experimental Loran signals&nb= sp;on GRI 8970 M and X tonight. Traces are becoming visible here in the two= rightmost slots on
 
On the US east coast, it should be audible on 100 kHz, and some o= f the familiar lines should have reappeard on 137 kHz spectrograms.
Best regards,
Markus (DF6NM)
= -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Di, 20 Mrz 2012 11:44 pm
Betreff: Re: LF: Fwd: US Loran - got it!

There's also a 8970 master emission, with = the same fading history, and about 2.4 ms earlier here than if it would&nbs= p;come from Dana. Thus Wildwood is currently transmitting both M = and X signals.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)

Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 12:13 AM
Subject: LF: Fwd: US Loran - got it!
=
Hey Chris,
 
it's there! I have added five slots 8970 m,w,x,y,z to the right of my = LV display, and since 22 UT I'm indeed getting a trace in the X slot a= llocated to Seneca. It's about 12 pixels (0.55 ms) late here, so either the= emission delay or the location must be wrong.
 
Someone reported that the emissions are actually from the Loran S= upport Center, Wildwood NJ (Cape May, 38.9464N 74.8668W).  Accord= ing to Google Earth this is 6595 km from me, 164 km further than Senec= a. That's exactly 0.55 ms extra delay! So we know that they are transm= itting from Wildwood using Seneca parameters. 
 
If you like to see it yourself, you can simply add a line containing "= 8970x" at the end of the stations section, after the GPS entry.
Thanks for the tip!
 
Best 73,
Markus
 
= -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Chris 4X1RF <chrisgomy@gmail= .com>
An: Markus Vester <markusvester@= aol.com>
Verschickt: Di, 20 Mrz 2012 2:29 pm
Betreff: US Loran

Hi Markus,

>From the 'time-nuts' list, yesterday evening around 20UTC the 8970x Seneca = N.Y. station was reported as being active.

73s
Chris
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