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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CED5CC7D64D7C9_788_83E4A_webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:485458368:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d242.1 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d54f6a5c1b0e2a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CED5CC7D64D7C9_788_83E4A_webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bob and Stefan,=20 yes, no doubt it's there! http://df6nm.bplaced.net/LF/VK7ZL_DK7FC_pasted_120320.jpg The time ticks on Stefan's and my local captures agree perfectly. On the VK= 7ZL screenshot, we can find most of "C D" around 17 UT, as well as "7" and = part of an "F" around 19:30. Again there seem to be two maxima, roughly coi= nciding with sunset and sunrise. =20 Very nice work! Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Mi, 21 Mrz 2012 4:16 pm Betreff: LF: Re: Fwd: DK7FC ? Hi David, Markus, LF,=20 Thanks for the information about Bob's capture. I forward this capture to the group, if we (Bob and me) want to have a offi= cial confirmation that these traces are accepted as a valid detection. We h= ave to check if the transmit times are matching. Of course a bit clearer detection would be wishful but we are on the limit = of what is possible with a non-commercial setup, far away from QSO mode and= full call reception. Most odd for HF amateurs, probably ;-) Anyway an amat= eur generated signal that changed the brightness of a few pixels in a spect= rogram on the right frequency and time :-) VK7ZL to DK7FC is a path of 16784 km, http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DQ= E37MF&from=3Djn49ik00wd, unbelivable. I hope there are some days left to se= e further traces which confirms things.=20 Now i hope for Markus' detective help ;-) My grabber archive captures from yesterday, 20. March 2012, shows a C at 17= :00 UTC, here discribed as a K in Bob's spectrogram. Actually i think there= seem to be some bright pixels where one expects them if it would be a C. h= ttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/EU60_53273.jpg At ~19:25 UTC (the 7) i was actually transmitting a 7, see http://dl.dropbo= x.com/u/19882028/LF/EU60_53318.jpg For me that is convincing and so i would like to congratulate Bob/VK7ZL. Comments welcome. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 20.03.2012 23:38, schrieb David VK2DDI:=20 Hi Stefan, Looks like Bob (QE37mf) had success last night. Nil from here. Regards, David. =20 -------- Original Message --------=20 Subject:=20 DK7FC ? Date:=20 Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:24:24 +0000 From:=20 Bob To:=20 David Isele Hi David I think I may have copied part of DK7FC [...] snipped. Picture from Bob at http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/VK7ZL_DK7FC.jpg (si= ze to large for the reflector) Or perhaps it is just wishful thinking. PS I notice your grabber clock is incorrect. Bob --=20 K7ZL NDB & Navtex Logging: http://tinyurl.com/255zfm2 =20 ----------MB_8CED5CC7D64D7C9_788_83E4A_webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Bob and Stefan,
 
yes, no doubt it's there!
 
 
The time ticks on Stefan's and my local captures agree perfectly. On t= he VK7ZL screenshot, we can find most of "C D" around 17 UT, as well&n= bsp;as "7" and part of an "F" around 19:30. Again there seem to be two maxi= ma, roughly coinciding with sunset and sunrise.
 
Very nice work!
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)

 
= -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mi, 21 Mrz 2012 4:16 pm
Betreff: LF: Re: Fwd: DK7FC ?

 Hi David,= Markus, LF,

Thanks for the information about Bob's capture.
I forward this capture to the group, if we (Bob and me) want to have a offi= cial confirmation that these traces are accepted as a valid detection. We h= ave to check if the transmit times are matching.
Of course a bit clearer detection would be wishful but we are on the limit = of what is possible with a non-commercial setup, far away from QSO mode and= full call reception. Most odd for HF amateurs, probably ;-) Anyway an amat= eur generated signal that changed the brightness of a few pixels in a spect= rogram on the right frequency and time :-)

VK7ZL to DK7FC is a path of 16784 km, http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DQE37MF&from=3Djn49ik00wd= , unbelivable. I hope there are some days left to see further traces wh= ich confirms things.
Now i hope for Markus' detective help ;-)

My grabber archive captures from yesterday, 20. March 2012, shows a C at 17= :00 UTC, here discribed as a K in Bob's spectrogram. Actually i think there= seem to be some bright pixels where one expects them if it would be a C. <= A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext href=3D"http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF= /EU60_53273.jpg" target=3D_blank>http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/EU60_5= 3273.jpg

At ~19:25 UTC (the 7) i was actually transmitting a 7, see http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/EU60_53318.jpg
For me that is convincing and so i would like to congratulate Bob/VK7ZL.
Comments welcome.

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 20.03.2012 23:38, schrieb David VK2DDI:=20
Hi Stefan,

Looks like Bob (QE37mf) had success last night.  Nil from here.

Regards,

David. 

-------- Original Message --------=20
Subject: DK7FC ?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:24:24 +0000
  From: Bob <vk7zl@internode.on.net>
To: David Isele <vk2ddi@internode.on.net>
=

Hi David

I think I may have copied part of DK7FC
[...]
snipped.
Picture from Bob at http://dl.dropbox.co= m/u/19882028/LF/VK7ZL_DK7FC.jpg (size to large for the reflector)

Or perhaps it is j= ust wishful thinking.
PS  I notice your grabber clock is incorrect.

Bob
--=20
VK7ZL NDB & Navtex Logging: http://tinyurl.com/255zfm2
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