Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5B24638000087; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 19:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SA8F5-00079V-FI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:13:27 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SA8F4-00079M-CO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:13:26 +0000 Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.207.164]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SA8F1-0006hk-Py for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:13:26 +0000 Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q2KNDIfn024769 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 19:13:18 -0400 Received: from core-msd003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.9]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6CBFAE000087 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 19:13:18 -0400 (EDT) References: <8CED505AF2A3E46-1FA8-1AFF2@webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <8CED505AF2A3E46-1FA8-1AFF2@webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Markus Vester X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35775-STANDARD Received: from 77.7.70.5 by webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.229) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 20 Mar 2012 19:13:18 -0400 Message-Id: <8CED5062B9C2DD7-1FA8-1B02F@webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [77.7.70.5] Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 19:13:18 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1332285198; bh=buUuYunrFt5mtNLJ8EinQKA3K+uYeteI/eE+WRbnjLY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UrpOJazmIl04K6GGzZNq+lDGBm5O8RMtfobtYpp5Y6GmsTQIpnihB0B/f9ol4dQCD nw2rQyW0UGKnKEYLJjwF4vJ/w/dmD5ClgPSs7HnpjVOIeySxo8tCXeuSR9kIKvSOCy Ko8ZjSui8ejBFNSXwl4L2hGjvdSIYedYUgwuzWOQ= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:390817088:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Fwd: US Loran - got it! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CED5062BAA7641_1FA8_68743_webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,SEE_FOR_YOURSELF autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:429782816:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m015.2 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4074f690f6b561a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CED5062BAA7641_1FA8_68743_webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hey Chris, =20 it's there! I have added five slots 8970 m,w,x,y,z to the right of my LV di= splay, and since 22 UT I'm indeed getting a trace in the X slot allocated t= o Seneca. It's about 12 pixels (0.55 ms) late here, so either the emission = delay or the location must be wrong.=20 =20 Someone reported that the emissions are actually from the Loran Support Cen= ter, Wildwood NJ (Cape May, 38.9464N 74.8668W). According to Google Earth = this is 6595 km from me, 164 km further than Seneca. That's exactly 0.55 ms= extra delay! So we know that they are transmitting from Wildwood using Sen= eca parameters.=20 =20 If you like to see it yourself, you can simply add a line containing "8970x= " at the end of the stations section, after the GPS entry. Thanks for the tip! =20 Best 73, Markus =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Chris 4X1RF An: Markus Vester Verschickt: Di, 20 Mrz 2012 2:29 pm Betreff: US Loran Hi Markus, >From the 'time-nuts' list, yesterday evening around 20UTC the 8970x Seneca = N.Y. station was reported as being active. 73s Chris ----------MB_8CED5062BAA7641_1FA8_68743_webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Hey Chris,
 
it's there! I have added five slots 8970 m,w,x,y,z to the right of my = LV display, and since 22 UT I'm indeed getting a trace in the X slot a= llocated to Seneca. It's about 12 pixels (0.55 ms) late here, so either the= emission delay or the location must be wrong.
 
Someone reported that the emissions are actually from the Loran S= upport Center, Wildwood NJ (Cape May, 38.9464N 74.8668W).  Accord= ing to Google Earth this is 6595 km from me, 164 km further than Senec= a. That's exactly 0.55 ms extra delay! So we know that they are transm= itting from Wildwood using Seneca parameters. 
 
If you like to see it yourself, you can simply add a line containing "= 8970x" at the end of the stations section, after the GPS entry.
Thanks for the tip!
 
Best 73,
Markus
 
= -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Chris 4X1RF <chrisgomy@gmail= .com>
An: Markus Vester <markusvester@= aol.com>
Verschickt: Di, 20 Mrz 2012 2:29 pm
Betreff: US Loran

Hi Markus,

>From the 'time-nuts' list, yesterday evening around 20UTC the 8970x Seneca = N.Y. station was reported as being active.

73s
Chris
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