Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 46FF6380000A1; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 05:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1S8763-000059-U4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:35:47 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1S8763-000050-D4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:35:47 +0000 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews07.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.10]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1S8761-0004vR-Py for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:35:47 +0000 Received: from cpsps-ews30.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.196]) by cpsmtpb-ews07.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:35:40 +0100 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.20]) by cpsps-ews30.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:35:39 +0100 Received: from acer ([81.204.139.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:35:39 +0100 Message-ID: <68F8C991442A472196713BB46088E233@acer> From: "henny van elst" To: References: <8CED0A22DE2C81B-268C-3E6C@webmail-d131.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:33:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2012 09:35:39.0735 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBD64E70:01CD028E] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DK7FC in VK? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD0297.09EDF780" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:485274528:93952408 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410a4f61b8304ccc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD0297.09EDF780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan,Dimitris, Congratulations from henny pa3cpm also, hennycpm 73's ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Markus Vester=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:07 AM Subject: Re: LF: DK7FC in VK? Wow! I'm red-hot with envy ;-) Attached is another grabber screenshot comparison. The width from = DK7FC was halved, and the timescale of VK1SV shifted by 28 minutes. In = addition to the perfect "7", we also find earlier weak dashes on the low = DFCW frequency, between 18:05 and 18:20. This matches what seems to be = have been a transmit keying error, with the callsign ending early in an = "F" rather than a "C". =20 Congratulations to both Stefan and Dimitris on this fantastic result! Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer An: rsgb_lf_group Cc: Gamal Wahid Soegiono Verschickt: Mi, 14 Mrz 2012 11:42 pm Betreff: LF: DK7FC in VK? LF, Not yet a clear proof but probably i left a first trace in VK on 136.172 = kHz in my evening transmission a few hours ago. The VK1SV grabber ( http://people.physics.anu.edu.au/~dxt103/grabber/)=20 showed this spectrogram at about 20:10 UTC:=20 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/is%20that%20a%207.jpg It looks pretty equal to a 7 i find. Note the time delay of the time stamp in the spectrogram and in the text = box in the left top corner. The correct time is that of the text box.=20 (We don't know where this delay may come from). The delay is exactly 30=20 minutes. So that 7 must have been on air at about 19:15 UTC. This exactly matches = with my own grabber capture which can be seen at=20 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/EU60.jpg Also the frequency matches as well as the DFCW element length and the=20 DFCW shift of my DFCW-180 transmission. As a comparison i generated a 7=20 in a spectrogram with equal setting as used by Dimitris/VK1SV. Then i=20 cut that 7 and inserted it into the VK grabber capture, see:=20 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/7%20comparison.png Of course we will go on trying in the next time and hope to get a even=20 better proof. In that mode there is little room, i.e. time to receive a=20 complete call. The time is very limited. But maybe we will see a F=20 tomorrow :-) I'm very optimistic you know. That is a path of 16464 km :-)=20 http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DJN49IK00WD&from=3DQF44MT 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Will be quiet tonite due to VLF receive tests. Am 14.03.2012 21:04, schrieb Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer: > LF, > > I'm somewhat confused. Can somone look at this link and tell me what=20 > he sees: http://people.physics.anu.edu.au/~dxt103/grabber/ > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD0297.09EDF780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hi Stefan,Dimitris,
Congratulations from henny pa3cpm=20 also,
hennycpm
73's
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Markus=20 Vester
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 = 10:07=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: DK7FC in = VK?

Wow! I'm red-hot with envy ;-)
 
Attached is another grabber screenshot=20 comparison. The width from DK7FC was halved, = and the=20 timescale of VK1SV shifted by 28 minutes. In addition to the = perfect "7",=20 we also find earlier weak dashes on the low DFCW=20 frequency, between 18:05 and 18:20. This matches what = seems to=20 be have been a transmit keying error, with the callsign ending = early in=20 an "F" rather than a "C".  
 
Congratulations to both Stefan and Dimitris on this fantastic=20 result!
 
Best 73,
 
Markus (DF6NM)

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche=20 Mitteilung-----
Von: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Cc: Gamal Wahid Soegiono=20 <soegiono@web.de>
Verschickt: Mi, 14 Mrz 2012 11:42 = pm
Betreff:=20 LF: DK7FC in VK?

LF,

Not yet a clear proof but probably i left a first trace in VK on 136.172 =

kHz in my evening transmission a few hours ago.

The VK1SV grabber ( http://people.physics.anu.edu.au/~dxt103/grabber/)=20
showed this spectrogram at about 20:10 UTC:=20
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/is%20that%20a%207.jpg=


It looks pretty equal to a 7 i find.

Note the time delay of the time stamp in the spectrogram and in the text =

box in the left top corner. The correct time is that of the text box.=20
(We don't know where this delay may come from). The delay is exactly 30=20
minutes.
So that 7 must have been on air at about 19:15 UTC. This exactly matches =

with my own grabber capture which can be seen at=20
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/EU60.jpg

Also the frequency matches as well as the DFCW element length and the=20
DFCW shift of my DFCW-180 transmission. As a =
comparison i generated a 7=20
in a spectrogram with equal setting as used by =
Dimitris/VK1SV. Then i=20
cut that 7 and inserted it into the VK grabber =
capture, see:=20
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/7%20comparison.png

Of course we will go on trying in the next time and hope to get a even=20
better proof. In that mode there is little room, i.e. time to receive a=20
complete call. The time is very limited. But maybe we will see a F=20
tomorrow :-)
I'm very optimistic you know.

That is a path of 16464 km :-)=20
http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DJN49IK00WD&from=3D=
QF44MT

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: Will be quiet tonite due to VLF receive tests.

Am 14.03.2012 21:04, schrieb Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer:
> LF,
>
> I'm somewhat confused. Can somone look at this link and tell me =
what=20
> he sees: http://people.physics.anu.edu.au/~dxt103/grabber/
>
> 73, Stefan/DK7FC
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