Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 268F83800008E; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SDfVu-0006Io-0x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 18:21:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SDfVt-0006If-HZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 18:21:25 +0100 Received: from mout4.freenet.de ([195.4.92.94]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SDfVs-0002FW-HY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 18:21:25 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.142] (helo=mjail2.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1SDfVr-0007R9-Gv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 19:21:23 +0200 Received: from localhost ([::1]:33992 helo=mjail2.freenet.de) by mjail2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1SDfVr-0001Vp-Cz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 19:21:23 +0200 Received: from [195.4.92.25] (port=39093 helo=15.mx.freenet.de) by mjail2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1SDfTp-0000sZ-Sx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 19:19:17 +0200 Received: from blfd-4d088955.pool.mediaways.net ([77.8.137.85]:3770 helo=[192.168.178.22]) by 15.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (port 465) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1SDfTp-0000Dy-KM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 19:19:17 +0200 Message-ID: <4F75EB14.1090402@freenet.de> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 19:19:16 +0200 From: wolf_dl4yhf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8CEDBB08CDC93E9-6B0-1108@webmail-m065.sysops.aol.com> <4F74A485.8010904@freenet.de> <4F7546E0.3080900@telia.com> In-Reply-To: <4F7546E0.3080900@telia.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Dream sampler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:325135040:93952408 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4064f75f1e030ed X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Johan and group, About a PIC-based digitizer, clocked by a 10 MHz reference.. I was also thinking along these lines, but I'd use a different microcontroller - at least one with a 'real' serial port which would greatly simplify the firmware. Possibly something with USB, or (even better) an Ethernet connector, to stream out the data via UDP/IP or TCP/IP. you wrote: > Do you think that a 8, 10 or 12-bit ADC followed by decimation in SL would be good enough for mHz/uHz FFT resolution? Will strong sferics be a problem or will some hard clipping be helpful as a "Jimi Hendrx mode" impulse blanker if the input BW is selected with care? Maybe quantization noise would become a problem with such low resolution? < Difficult to say. The impulsive noise from sferics is not such a good 'ditherer' as white gaussian noise. The best way to find this out would be making a wave file recording with 8 bits only, from a synchronized soundcard or whatever, using 'real' radio signals. But I think without analog bandpass filtering a (standard) PIC isn't up to the job. For example, I am only about 100 km away from the 23.4 kHz transmitter, and that signal is incredibly strong here (I can see it on an oscilloscope with a piece of wire, with only a simple RC highpass filter at the scope's input). The difference between DHO38 and the strongest 'dreamer's' signals seen here (from Uwe) was in the range of 80 .. 90 dB, iirc. Maybe time to get back into the ("hardware"-) DSP business and simply try ;-) 73, Wolf .