Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 291D638000083; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 01:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SDUXx-0003va-Bo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 06:38:49 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SDUXw-0003vR-QO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 06:38:48 +0100 Received: from smtp-out11.han.skanova.net ([195.67.226.200]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SDUXu-00059d-7d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 06:38:48 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (217.211.186.120) by smtp-out11.han.skanova.net (8.5.133) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4F5CB98E00762F90 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:38:39 +0200 Message-ID: <4F7546E0.3080900@telia.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:38:40 +0200 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8CEDBB08CDC93E9-6B0-1108@webmail-m065.sysops.aol.com> <4F74A485.8010904@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <4F74A485.8010904@freenet.de> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: LF: Dream sampler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:417911264:93952408 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154f75473f1442 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Wolf, LF how much dynamic range is needed in a dreamer's band receiver? The typical 9kHz signals are very small compared to the noise level so there is plenty of "natural dither". Do you think that a 8, 10 or 12-bit ADC followed by decimation in SL would be good enough for mHz/uHz FFT resolution? Will strong sferics be a problem or will some hard clipping be helpful as a "Jimi Hendrx mode" impulse blanker if the input BW is selected with care? Maybe quantization noise would become a problem with such low resolution? I am thinking about a front end using something like your old I/Q sampling PIC with a preamp and a BPF. Fs should be close to 4*9=36kHz for near-DC IF but not too close in order to avoid 1/f noise from the preamp. If the sampling MCU is clocked with a precision frequency and connected to a simple serial port, we could say goodbye to soundcard jitter and jumps and other unexplainable phenomena! Not a "soundCard" really, but a "dreamCard"... 73 Johan SM6LKM ---- [...] > "slightly different" sampling rate for the ADC and the DAC, [...] > soundcard in a laptop makes > a step change (!) when windows plays a sound through it [...] > different SR which is not an integer multiple (or fraction) of the sampling rate > configured in spectrum lab. [...] > the carrier suddenly jumped up [...] > might be due to some glitch