Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D11AC38000092; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1S8rvx-0002wN-Sd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 11:36:29 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1S8rvx-0002w9-7j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 11:36:29 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1S8rvw-0001JF-PL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 11:36:29 +0000 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120317113622.OTVH21084.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 11:36:22 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [82.5.252.56]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20120317113622.CRSN10211.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.2]> for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 11:36:22 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 11:36:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4F647735.3372.5358BB@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EQ6ENA-4riowxyjzFckA:9 a=Mq7L0a8HJLc8tJ-tmfsA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=X98F0GQnmfDiKC0x:21 a=oqD508NeCx6m4-xx:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Opera will QRM 137k QRSS Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:504984608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4f6477953f0f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Some of you may have missed my last post on this subject because it had 'Opera' in the title and you thought it didn't concern you. But it does. The Opera data mode evolves almost daily and is still in its Beta stage. It recommends operating frequencies, and indeed won't work outside these frequencies without mis-using it. The early versions recommended 137.3 to 137.5kHz for Opera 8 and 137.5 to 137.6kHz for the slower Opera 32, both beacon only. So far, so good. Just over a week ago, version 1.3.3 introduced a new 'QSO mode' and recommended 137.4 to 137.6 for this activity. It then moved Op8 beacons to 137.6-137.8kHz. My last post on this subject protested in strong terms at this flagrant disregard for long-standing bandplanning. In particular it would have caused interference to the 137.777kHz America-Europe DX watering hole. I have been away for a week and have downloaded Opera version 1.3.9 (I did say it evolved daily) and this has improved the bandplanning, probably thanks to some members of this group who are closer to the Opera team than I am.The threat to the DX wateringhole has gone but the encroachment on the QRSS window is still there. The new frequencies are: 137.5 to 137.6kHz for Op32 and 137.6 to 137.7kHz for Op8. The 'QSO mode' seems to have been dropped on this band. This still means that Opera 8 beacons will occupy the area between 137.65 and 137.70 which has for many years been used for QRSS 3 and 10 QSOs, including the centre frequency (137.70) itself. Whilst Opera may be regarded as machine generated/read QRSS and therefore a good bedfellow for QRSS, it uses a different (non-Morse) coding. Therefore an Opera user will not be able to read QRSS (and won't even know it is there it if he turns off the resource-hungry waterfall display) and the QRSS user will struggle to read what he thinks is a weak QRSS station, but will in fact be Opera. It could be argued that QRSS operators could use 137.70 to 136.75kHz, but this disregards the substantial QRM from DCF39 sidebands which affect all of western Europe, especially Germany. In any case, why should they have to halve the available slot? However, much more to the point, bandplanning on this band has been the subject of considerable discussion on this group right from the very start, and has evolved to suit all concerned. By contrast, the Opera team appear to have made arbitrary decisions based perhaps on a poll of a handful of keen Opera fans without any consultation with users of other, long-standing modes. When Opera first came out, I was accused of old-fashioned thinking when I referrred to local adjacent channel QRM. If Opera is so frequency-efficient, why does it need 200Hz when QRSS3/10 has got by with 80-100Hz for years? Lastly, I am not anti-Opera. Until a week ago I used it every day, on both modes and regard it as a useful tool. But it must be compatible with users of other, well-established, modes. Does anyone else feel as angry I do about a software writer dictating our bandplans? Mike, G3XDV ==========