Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 684E438000091; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 13:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1S6mKa-0002lO-5B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:13:16 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1S6mKZ-0002lF-Bb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:13:15 +0000 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1S6mKX-00024E-QT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:13:15 +0000 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2BHDCWW010369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 18:13:13 +0100 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q2BHDDf1000793 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 18:13:13 +0100 Message-ID: <4F5CDD1E.20309@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 18:13:02 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4F5B4E1B.9030607@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4F5B5B8D.5030706@talktalk.net> <1331389965.1987.40.camel@gerhard-desktop-acer> <5DEACA412B7947B990F925AC29DA6064@White> <1331484711.6563.11.camel@gerhard-desktop-acer> In-Reply-To: <1331484711.6563.11.camel@gerhard-desktop-acer> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q2BHDCWW010369 X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: OK2BVG_8970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:450648320:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60164f5cdd67442a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Gerhard, A recording would have been halpful now. Maybe it was due to the=20 settings? How did you switched to DFCW-120? Manually or by using the=20 predefined settings? There may be a difference in the filter and=20 noiseblanker settings which can make things 6 dB worse or so, you know... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 11.03.2012 17:51, schrieb Gerhard Hickl: > Hello Markus! > > I also thought about a coupling of antennas after playing around for a > while in SpectrumLab. I had to set up the DFCW30 Window because I > usually do not run one on my grabber. > > The signal in the usual 6000 window was strong indeed but when I > switched to 30 or 60 or even 120, I wasn't able to see Lubos signal > clear enough to run a QSO. > > I removed the antenna wire later from the coil but unfortunately it > didn't change anything. Still no usable signal in faster modes. > > Lubos signal was good as many grabbers across Europe showed and this > made it very clear to me: I have got a problem in receiving. Due to > absence of signals, even this is hard to find out and was more than > worth the test. > > At least the problem is identified and so I know what to focus on next. > > 73 > OE3GHB > Gerhard > > > > > > > Am Sonntag, den 11.03.2012, 13:01 +0100 schrieb Markus Vester: > =20 >> Hi Lubos, Gerhard, >> >> thanks very much for those tests! It is a real pleasure to see your >> two signals side-by-side, in very good quality in my 0.48 mHz window. >> >> The QRN was not at its best yesterday. Pity that Gerhard didn't >> receive Lubos clear enough for a QSO yet, even though the trace on the >> OE3GHB grabber looked strong between 8:30 and 10. Perhaps a >> problem of coupling between the resonant TX antenna and an RX probe? >> >> Looking forward for more dashes... >> >> Best 73, >> Markus (DF6NM) >> >> >> >> From: Gerhard Hickl >> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 3:32 PM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: OK2BVG_8970 >> >> >> >> Hello Eddie, group! >> >> Thank you for watching out. Unfortunately I had no luck today. There >> is >> nothing of my signal seen on your grabber. Lubos left a clear trace. >> >> I noticed that my signal is fading out on most grabbers where I have >> been visible and so I'm going to stop the transmission for today. >> >> It was very nice to compare Lubos and my antenna. We both ran 600mA of >> Antenna-current. His antenna is higher and has more topload compared >> to >> mine. And now consider: He is living in a flat while I have a home and >> a >> small plot of land. So he's doing really well with his constructions. >> He >> somehow managed to hang his antenna between different blocks of flats, >> more or less in a city. Marvellous. >> >> 73 es tnx everybody >> >> OE3GHB >> Gerhard >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Am Samstag, den 10.03.2012, 13:47 +0000 schrieb qrss: >> =20 >>> We are all begging for more :-) >>> >>> Eddie >>> >>> On 10/03/2012 12:50, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote: >>> =20 >>>> Hi Lubos, Gerhard, >>>> >>>> Very nice. I saw both of your signals in my "6000" and even in the >>>> "600" window, >>>> >>>> =20 >> http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber.html. >> =20 >>>> VLF propagation is exceptionally good, even yesterday many MSK >>>> transmitters were significantly stronger than usual. >>>> Tnx for the activity and good luck now in the afternoon Gerhard. >>>> Lubos, your signal seems to be quite strong. FB antenna and 600mA >>>> =20 >> at >> =20 >>>> 120W (=3D 330 Ohm) is really good! Can't you run longer tests on >>>> =20 >> that >> =20 >>>> antenna? Yes i know, i could do the same here ;-) >>>> >>>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 10.03.2012 13:01, schrieb Lubos OK2BVG: >>>> =20 >>>>> Hello VLF friends! >>>>> Thanks for all reception reports. I am glad, that my signal was >>>>> seen by Gerhard/OE3GHB, Markus/DF6NM, Eddie/G3ZJO, Mal/G3KEV, >>>>> Stefan/DK7FC and Paul in Todmorden. >>>>> I haven=C2=B4t a plan to transmit so long time today. Both, Gerhard >>>>> =20 >> and >> =20 >>>>> me, did some experiments in DFCW mode only. Than I kept my >>>>> =20 >> signal >> =20 >>>>> up until 12:00UT :-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Date: 10.03.2012 >>>>> Time: 07:40 UT - 12:00 UT >>>>> Antenna: Marconi L 24m up + 220m top load >>>>> PA: 120W (Iant =3D 600mA) >>>>> Identification: carrier only >>>>> Mode: carrier only >>>>> FRQ: 8970.000 (Rubidium reference) >>>>> Shift: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It was very interesting VLF morning. Thanks everybody! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Lubos, OK2BVG >>>>> =20 >>> =20 >> >> >> =20 > > =20