Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A3237380000A0; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 07:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1S5z34-0002Lg-PU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 12:35:54 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1S5z34-0002LX-4v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 12:35:54 +0000 Received: from mout6.freenet.de ([195.4.92.96]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1S5z33-00013Y-Ln for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 12:35:54 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.142] (helo=mjail2.freenet.de) by mout6.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1S5z30-0006Fj-LZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:35:50 +0100 Received: from localhost ([::1]:39177 helo=mjail2.freenet.de) by mjail2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1S5z2z-0001qr-N7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:35:50 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.13] (port=37054 helo=3.mx.freenet.de) by mjail2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1S5z0y-00007b-F7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:33:44 +0100 Received: from blfd-4db13c25.pool.mediaways.net ([77.177.60.37]:2627 helo=[192.168.178.22]) by 3.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (port 465) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1S5z0y-0007Sk-7P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:33:44 +0100 Message-ID: <4F59F8A7.8010103@freenet.de> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:33:43 +0100 From: wolf_dl4yhf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1331290677.76245.YahooMailClassic@web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1331290677.76245.YahooMailClassic@web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Big solar flare - major geomagnetic storms to follow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:430746432:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4054f59f97b56cf X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Alan, Many thanks for the detailed analysis - your reports are one of the reasons for me to stay subscribed to this reflector. Have a nice weekend all, Wolf . Am 09.03.2012 11:57, schrieb ALAN MELIA: > Hi all more geomag storming this morning. It looks as though I might have got my timing wrong. However the 56 hours to the Kp=7 event is a bit slow for such a big event, and the predicted speed of that CME. > > I suspect this mornings event may be what I refered to yesterday as a "sub-storm". This occurs when the plasma cloud sweeps past Earth and some is then trapped in a "magnetic bottle" in the tail of the magnetosphere. The magnetic field becomes highly distorted and twisted by the extra hot charge. Just as in the Sun-spots this strain is relieved as the field snaps back into a lower energy state. The excess energy which is released as the field collapses is transfered to the plasma "glob". The result is that two parts of the plasma are fired off at very high speed. one towads Earth and one away from Earth (to conserve momentum....a basic law of physics). This mornings event was the shock of that plasma "bullet" arriving. I believe this mornings event may have been of this nature. > > How does it affect LF? The charge from the "bullet" is injected into the ring current so tops up the charge reservoir, and this lengthens the period of excess attenuation in the night-time D-layer. There is some discrepancy between the Dst estimates. The Colorado estimate is running at about -50nT whilst the Kyoto value is around -150nT. Kyoto is based on a number of ground located magnetometer observations and is prone to rather wild fluctuations, and often "overshoots". The Colorado plot is based on a calculation using the solar wind parameters as observed by the ACE satellite. From my experience I find the latter to be more useful/meaningful in terms of LF effects. > > Overall I think this indicates a mild effect. Long distance night-time paths will be affected for a week or so. For a good indication of the progress of of the recovery, watch the Dst as it returns to around -20nT....the indication of quiet, good propagation conditions. Just before the conditions settle there can be some exceptionally good nights, probably caused by favourable fading/multipath. These are very location dependent and do not work for everyone. > > However keep watching..... NOAA predict the possibility of more X-Class flares from the current spots, with the associated CMEs. > > Good LF DXing !! > > Alan > G3NYK > > > > >