Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DE0063800011F; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 19:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1S9mDP-0003JP-Tq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 23:42:15 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1S9mDO-0003JG-VQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 23:42:14 +0000 Received: from nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.61]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1S9mDO-0005BK-SD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 23:42:14 +0000 Received: from [77.238.189.48] by nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2012 23:42:08 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.135] by tm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2012 23:42:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1040.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2012 23:42:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 741945.40939.bm@omp1040.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 36117 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Mar 2012 23:42:08 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1332200528; bh=OMN5uPybWrXWEV4QAb1/7yCvQjLJSIc+KeKEslUPVvM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ER0yHKYWw7EiFgConqEOhcD+gVzwtuMesIP27+9zNZN9PxLS6sRrr6ZvJPPPfXBp7Vr8UIUEcF62QZ+zE9Wq9uxrpe9eBt7qYq/Ar6n8qK9f6LzHjD0vjWLN/4Uqv2pgRiDN8sZtFIBHuI9d3WfcvQsu6z/pq19CxOqZJA0Y5R4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4JJCobf7VjeSRFDidZLQZxrmvtup3CcoHHMTHtVQlzE0zu6cduWHrWx9zy4dB9dvvVlwoK+VSser/LnMCJ1WgLfArceoxGd9RBtkVAQQZYAw06AU5veBImP5SIYRB6hkQ7eGr7sC6aT8CGRyL1JotZa6HlMEwAIPiv2WOOJm14s=; X-YMail-OSG: xzxgfDwVM1km37jIz1jWYWGdweBASv91HxoPEV_qIE2twBV vS28M1wKHsGAlCvFVAT5SOOb3yRuOHzDoSUhrn2xad7tu23CMjv0C4NLijGU VjSC4F5MNF1jgOGN24Xek5no9djHlKQjBmw4z0Tk49wsjJflWwUlSSiczSqE upUiZsbOFoqptWAVHqVaSrPUkM1IHrctwQ3AgODECKFMd3iHxrRNfHy6W2nX WPFOmKGh7q17RHgh8QdCmNvlQ05g7YsyLSUApwKRNLoxSXwdlPYFbE3aGU9E GJ4l99LauTbBp2GAR2Y4yx80.pfBjhDdH3qTsvZA1d4ibmS3__3tlfhXV1ST mmo7k2qgcS2iLsaGVvif9__8c4Ce0uvSqGKH34FJ.bsZRXeNfpQU4Jzrqclr HRQ53jUKuaRduUEhhXaPWoqpXe4kEfeABVa24DgyEL0RLYe26fWzRD.hLsQd 9JK2XM8BV.WoOU3u5noesq1sKCEYa3TdHitxzF12eOjscSYeyBrf6ws1P_OM HVJv0sXG4Ag-- Received: from [86.164.72.54] by web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 23:42:08 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: <1332193241.17996.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1332200528.35948.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 23:42:08 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Si570 oscillator Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-184219503-1332200528=:35948" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:454790720:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d224.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405a4f67c49a2928 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-184219503-1332200528=:35948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all=0AWell you've got it about half right. There is absolutely no point = publishing any Amateur radio microprocessor project with out at least print= ing the HEX code at very least. But when it gets down to it if you want to = keep the coding to yourself then don't publish the project at all. What it = is, is a narcissistic how clever am I project for the author who wants to s= ell a load of blown PICs that the user has absolutely no understanding of w= hat he is building.=A0Its of no use to anyone and my guess is that no one a= ctually ever bothers to attempt this type of project. Hex code can easily b= e printed in the article and scanned by the builder and the converted to AS= CII by character recognition software, simple.=0AAmateur radio is supposed = to be about self training. I see very little self training in a project wit= h virtually no peripheral components but a huge amount of processing power = running pretty well non understood (to the builder) routines in a blackbox.= =0AThere's a parallel here with the "One new PC driven Data mode a week" sy= ndrome as well.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A___________________= _____________=0A From: Andy Talbot =0ATo: rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Monday, 19 March 2012, 22:47=0ASubject: Re: LF: = Si570 oscillator=0A =0AWhen did RadCom publish anything with a microcontro= ller that didn't=0Ahave the .HEX code for download?=A0 I don't recall any s= uch project.=0A=0AMy own personal opinion is that anything published should= have source=0Acode made available, too.=A0 But it is just-about=A0 underst= andable that=0Asome authors may want to keep some of their routines to them= selves.=0AIn which case=0A perhaps a redacted source code listing ....?=0A= =0AAs a minimum,=A0 we ought to insist .HEX files are there for all.=0A=0AA= ndy=0Awww.g4jnt.com=0A=0A=0AOn 19 March 2012 21:40, M0FMT wrote:=0A> Hi All=0A>=0A> But its totally useless with out the HEX code = for the processor. This is=0A>....=0A=0A> in an article it so much hot air,= who ever builds these things? A RadCom=0A> syndrome.=0A> 73 es GL Pete M0F= MT IO91UX ---1613889061-184219503-1332200528=:35948 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Hi all
Well you've got it about half rig= ht. There is absolutely no point publishing any Amateur radio microprocesso= r project with out at least printing the HEX code at very least. But when i= t gets down to it if you want to keep the coding to yourself then don't pub= lish the project at all. What it is, is a narcissistic how clever am I project for the author who wants to sell a load o= f blown PICs that the user has absolutely = no understanding of what he is building. Its of no use to anyone and m= y guess is that no one actually ever bothers to attempt this type of projec= t. Hex code can easily=0A be printed in the article and scanned by the buil= der and the converted to ASCII by character r= ecognition software, simple.
Amateur radio is supposed to be about self training. I see ver= y little self training in a project with virtually no peripheral components= but a huge amount of processing power running pretty well non understood (= to the builder) routines in a blackbox.
There's a parallel here with the "One new PC driven= Data mode a week" syndrome as well.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@gma= il.com>
To: rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 19 March 2012, 22:47
Subject: Re: LF: Si570 oscillator

When= did RadCom publish anything with a microcontroller that didn't
have the= .HEX code for download?  I don't recall any such project.

My o= wn personal opinion is that anything published should have source
code m= ade available, too.  But it is just-about  understandable thatsome authors may want to keep some of their routines to themselves.
In which case=0A= perhaps a redacted source code listing ....?

As a minimum,  we= ought to insist .HEX files are there for all.

Andy
www.g4jnt.com=


On 19 March 2012 21:40, M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> But it= s totally useless with out the HEX code for the processor. This is
>.= ...

> in an article it so much hot air, who ever builds these thi= ngs? A RadCom
> syndrome.
> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX

<= br>
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