Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4F2503800009A; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 07:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1S5z9L-0002Sr-Ko for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 12:42:23 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1S5z9L-0002Si-0n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 12:42:23 +0000 Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.80]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1S5z9I-0001BJ-FF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 12:42:22 +0000 Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jQ1i1i0091swQuc58QiEwo; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 12:42:14 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([71.234.119.9]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jQiE1i00N0CFS1j3bQiE35; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 12:42:14 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01ccfdf2$0d91e580$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <1331290677.76245.YahooMailClassic@web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 07:42:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Big solar flare - major geomagnetic storms to follow Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:472782560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4054f59faec01c8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Alan Thanks for the update and insight. Absolutely no trace of Stefan's signal in CT last night. A few nights back he was 25+ dB s/n (in 28 mHz). Long distance VLF signal levels below normal as well. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "ALAN MELIA" To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 5:57 AM Subject: Re: LF: Big solar flare - major geomagnetic storms to follow Hi all more geomag storming this morning. It looks as though I might have got my timing wrong. However the 56 hours to the Kp=7 event is a bit slow for such a big event, and the predicted speed of that CME. I suspect this mornings event may be what I refered to yesterday as a "sub-storm". This occurs when the plasma cloud sweeps past Earth and some is then trapped in a "magnetic bottle" in the tail of the magnetosphere. The magnetic field becomes highly distorted and twisted by the extra hot charge. Just as in the Sun-spots this strain is relieved as the field snaps back into a lower energy state. The excess energy which is released as the field collapses is transfered to the plasma "glob". The result is that two parts of the plasma are fired off at very high speed. one towads Earth and one away from Earth (to conserve momentum....a basic law of physics). This mornings event was the shock of that plasma "bullet" arriving. I believe this mornings event may have been of this nature. How does it affect LF? The charge from the "bullet" is injected into the ring current so tops up the charge reservoir, and this lengthens the period of excess attenuation in the night-time D-layer. There is some discrepancy between the Dst estimates. The Colorado estimate is running at about -50nT whilst the Kyoto value is around -150nT. Kyoto is based on a number of ground located magnetometer observations and is prone to rather wild fluctuations, and often "overshoots". The Colorado plot is based on a calculation using the solar wind parameters as observed by the ACE satellite. From my experience I find the latter to be more useful/meaningful in terms of LF effects. Overall I think this indicates a mild effect. Long distance night-time paths will be affected for a week or so. For a good indication of the progress of of the recovery, watch the Dst as it returns to around -20nT....the indication of quiet, good propagation conditions. Just before the conditions settle there can be some exceptionally good nights, probably caused by favourable fading/multipath. These are very location dependent and do not work for everyone. However keep watching..... NOAA predict the possibility of more X-Class flares from the current spots, with the associated CMEs. Good LF DXing !! Alan G3NYK