Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A88DF38000098; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 07:47:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Rsw3f-00066T-F0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:46:35 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Rsw3e-00066K-SH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:46:34 +0000 Received: from mail-ww0-f41.google.com ([74.125.82.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsw3c-0003Iu-Jr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:46:34 +0000 Received: by wgbdt11 with SMTP id dt11so6984590wgb.4 for ; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 04:46:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=JQGy50fuM6AMmFW2JVGi56L+eT07Yp3zoCvQV5q6U+Y=; b=T9kW3m/sDasrqXNclXuJ2UdPQydekmHWByN3U2/bDyWHuD3OUESWJspmDomqeThKnN EYIOpGmQoF/umo6S36zzUFlPPb7e8NoNnjJpJ8B0xUyw3UgNSAVJr6lOyJEDDJL1P1qa Y+AM+r5IHzUAgovt5zuw41CgbBpk+k/VVeeX8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.139.223 with SMTP id c73mr28447wej.1.1328186786749; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 04:46:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.121.147 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 04:46:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002301cce1a6$fbf0ba20$f3d22e60$@com> References: <002201cce18f$b4c42c70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <001801cce1a4$c5a62d30$50f28790$@com> <002301cce1a6$fbf0ba20$f3d22e60$@com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 07:46:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Douglas D. Williams" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: OPERA QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6de14499e9e5904b7fa950a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:491906688:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m016.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60554f2a85e93320 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --0016e6de14499e9e5904b7fa950a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lol, obviously I've been too long away from HF. I had no idea everything had gotten so automated. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go dust off my straight key..... D. On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Terry GW0EZY wrote: > Doug**** > > ** ** > > What do you mean soon? It=92s here now with auto answer, auto-rotator, > RSID-auto-mode, frequency search and eQSL! Progress.....?**** > > ** ** > > Don=92t shoot the messenger!**** > > ** ** > > 73 Terry GW0EZY **** > > ** ** > > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *Douglas D. Williams > *Sent:* 02 February 2012 12:27 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: LF: RE: OPERA QSO**** > > ** ** > > Excellent. We will soon be able to have entire QSOs and perhaps even earn > award certificates to hang on our walls without ever actually having to b= e > present in our shacks. ;-)**** > > **** > > Doug KB4OER**** > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Terry GW0EZY wrote:**** > > Mal**** > > **** > > I=92m sure Graham will provide a full answer, but I noticed this in the > =93readme.txt=94 file (look in the Opera folder):**** > > **** > > v1.2.2 Beta **** > > Mean Power and antenna data in Operator menu**** > > Auto QSO option. This system send the QSO automatically when the contac= t > is done in both directions. One QSO every 24 hours.**** > > **** > > I=92ve not tried it and there is some discussion on the Opera Yahoo pages > about what constitutes a =93QSO=94!**** > > **** > > Interesting thought about an ARQ type mode for LF. Pactor is a proprietar= y > mode and needs a licence from SCS-PTC. For some reason, there are no > currently available multimode programs giving Amtor ARQ and it has dropp= ed > out of favour. However, there are some recently developed (freeware) ARQ > alternatives to Amtor (e.g. V4Chat) and some that have adapted standard > PSK modes for QRQ but all are really intended for HF propagation > conditions. **** > > **** > > Of course Murray Greenman ZL2AFP has developed CMSK Narrow-band weak > signal mode for LF/MF QSOs, although it isn=92t ARQ. I have been waiting = to > see someone trying it out on 136 kHz as it looks quite promising. **** > > **** > > http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/CMSK/cmsk.htm**** > > **** > > **** > > 73 Terry GW0EZY **** > > **** > > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *mal hamilton > *Sent:* 02 February 2012 09:48 > *To:* rsgb > *Subject:* LF: OPERA QSO**** > > **** > > Graham**** > > Opera seems popular, are there any plans ahead for a basic QSO mode > instead of Beacon only.**** > > At present on MF/LF it has popularity in its favour over the other data > modes. **** > > Instead of FEC how about the amtor approach where the transmission > triggers a RX stn who responds and a QSO begins. The exchange need only b= e > a few key words. **** > > How about modifying Amtor or Pactor for MF use. **** > > mal/g3kev**** > > **** > > ** ** > --0016e6de14499e9e5904b7fa950a Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lol, obviously I've been too long away from HF. I had no idea ever= ything had gotten so automated.
=A0
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go dust off my=A0straight key..= ...
=A0
D.

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Terry GW0EZY <gw0ezy@sky.com>= wrote:

Doug

=A0

What do you mean soon? It=92s h= ere now with auto answer, auto-rotator, RSID-auto-mode, frequency search an= d eQSL! Progress.....?

=A0

Don=92t shoot the messenger!=

=A0

73 Terry GW0EZY <= /span>

=A0

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org] On Behalf Of Douglas D. Williams
Sent: 02 February 2012 12:27
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgSubject: Re: LF: RE: OPERA QSO

=A0

Excellent. We will soon be able to have entire QSOs = and perhaps even earn award certificates to hang on our walls without ever = actually having to be present in our shacks. ;-)

=A0

Doug KB4OER

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Terry GW0EZY <gw0ezy@sky.com> wro= te:

Mal

=A0

I=92m sure Graham will provide = a full answer, but I noticed this in the =A0=93readme.txt=94 =A0file (look = in the Opera folder):

=A0

v1.2.2 Beta

=A0=A0Mean Power and antenna da= ta in Operator menu

=A0 Auto QSO option. This syste= m send the QSO automatically when the contact is done in both directions. O= ne QSO every 24 hours.

=A0

I=92ve not tried it and there i= s some discussion on the Opera Yahoo pages about what constitutes a =93QSO= =94!

=A0

Interesting thought about an AR= Q type mode for LF. Pactor is a proprietary mode and needs a licence from S= CS-PTC. For some reason, there are no currently available multimode program= s giving =A0Amtor ARQ and it has dropped out of favour. However, there are = some recently developed (freeware) ARQ alternatives to Amtor =A0(e.g. V4Cha= t) and some that have adapted standard PSK modes for QRQ but all are really= intended for HF propagation conditions.

=A0

Of course Murray Greenman ZL2AF= P has developed CMSK Narrow-band weak signal mode for LF/MF QSOs, although = it isn=92t ARQ. I have been waiting to see someone trying it out on 136 kHz= as it looks quite promising.

=A0

http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/CMSK/cmsk.= htm

=A0

=A0

73 Terry GW0EZY <= u>

=A0

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 02 February 2012 09:48
To: rsgb
Subject: L= F: OPERA QSO

=A0

Graham

Opera seems popular, =A0are there any plans ahead for a basic = QSO mode instead of Beacon only.

At present on MF/LF=A0it has popularity in its favour over the= other=A0data modes.

Instead of=A0FEC how about the amtor approach where the transm= ission triggers a RX stn who responds and a QSO=A0begins. The=A0exchange ne= ed only be a few key=A0words.

How about modifying Amtor or Pactor for MF use. =

mal/g3kev

=A0

=A0


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