Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AE00C38000086; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 07:28:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RsvlB-0005en-2t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:27:29 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RsvlA-0005ee-IL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:27:28 +0000 Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com ([74.125.82.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsvl8-0002zW-AA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:27:28 +0000 Received: by wgbds11 with SMTP id ds11so2190948wgb.28 for ; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 04:27:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=FIQcte6m5rXIVhFsYd4OgtjeLJGxjHD9Z0pqcYc7aN0=; b=sLjYL6RmIh77/5SiVrdSKpNeHW1sPIsn4fg5XjW82Dq+kJ7PWSzRY0tTqry0PaIgQD xjeHVfKyleEmMejRYTrI47UocICW9qiHyJVYM5CUgPNA0NxmYZycDpV+N6K+W+6Xjnhv TlEKjU9owH9DeEdOzK6dYls9DDqqtB+vGAJB0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.181.12.106 with SMTP id ep10mr17533894wid.8.1328185640537; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 04:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.121.147 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 04:27:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <001801cce1a4$c5a62d30$50f28790$@com> References: <002201cce18f$b4c42c70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <001801cce1a4$c5a62d30$50f28790$@com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 07:27:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Douglas D. Williams" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: OPERA QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c7ec04ccec904b7fa51e7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:484823936:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m019.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4074f2a815d1848 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --f46d043c7ec04ccec904b7fa51e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excellent. We will soon be able to have entire QSOs and perhaps even earn award certificates to hang on our walls without ever actually having to be present in our shacks. ;-) Doug KB4OER On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Terry GW0EZY wrote: > Mal**** > > ** ** > > I=92m sure Graham will provide a full answer, but I noticed this in the > =93readme.txt=94 file (look in the Opera folder):**** > > ** ** > > v1.2.2 Beta **** > > Mean Power and antenna data in Operator menu**** > > Auto QSO option. This system send the QSO automatically when the contac= t > is done in both directions. One QSO every 24 hours.**** > > ** ** > > I=92ve not tried it and there is some discussion on the Opera Yahoo pages > about what constitutes a =93QSO=94!**** > > ** ** > > Interesting thought about an ARQ type mode for LF. Pactor is a proprietar= y > mode and needs a licence from SCS-PTC. For some reason, there are no > currently available multimode programs giving Amtor ARQ and it has dropp= ed > out of favour. However, there are some recently developed (freeware) ARQ > alternatives to Amtor (e.g. V4Chat) and some that have adapted standard > PSK modes for QRQ but all are really intended for HF propagation > conditions. **** > > ** ** > > Of course Murray Greenman ZL2AFP has developed CMSK Narrow-band weak > signal mode for LF/MF QSOs, although it isn=92t ARQ. I have been waiting = to > see someone trying it out on 136 kHz as it looks quite promising. **** > > ** ** > > http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/CMSK/cmsk.htm**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > 73 Terry GW0EZY **** > > ** ** > > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *mal hamilton > *Sent:* 02 February 2012 09:48 > *To:* rsgb > *Subject:* LF: OPERA QSO**** > > ** ** > > Graham**** > > Opera seems popular, are there any plans ahead for a basic QSO mode > instead of Beacon only.**** > > At present on MF/LF it has popularity in its favour over the other data > modes. **** > > Instead of FEC how about the amtor approach where the transmission > triggers a RX stn who responds and a QSO begins. The exchange need only b= e > a few key words. **** > > How about modifying Amtor or Pactor for MF use. **** > > mal/g3kev**** > > **** > --f46d043c7ec04ccec904b7fa51e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Excellent. We will soon be able to have entire QSOs and perhaps even e= arn award certificates to hang on our walls without ever actually having to= be present in our shacks. ;-)
=A0
Doug KB4OER

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Terry GW0EZY <gw0ezy@sky.com>= wrote:

Mal

=A0

I=92m sure Graham will provide = a full answer, but I noticed this in the =A0=93readme.txt=94 =A0file (look = in the Opera folder):

=A0

v1.2.2 Beta

=A0=A0Mean Power and antenna da= ta in Operator menu

=A0 Auto QSO option. This syste= m send the QSO automatically when the contact is done in both directions. O= ne QSO every 24 hours.

=A0

I=92ve not tried it and there i= s some discussion on the Opera Yahoo pages about what constitutes a =93QSO= =94!

=A0

Interesting thought about an AR= Q type mode for LF. Pactor is a proprietary mode and needs a licence from S= CS-PTC. For some reason, there are no currently available multimode program= s giving =A0Amtor ARQ and it has dropped out of favour. However, there are = some recently developed (freeware) ARQ alternatives to Amtor =A0(e.g. V4Cha= t) and some that have adapted standard PSK modes for QRQ but all are really= intended for HF propagation conditions.

=A0

Of course Murray Greenman ZL2AF= P has developed CMSK Narrow-band weak signal mode for LF/MF QSOs, although = it isn=92t ARQ. I have been waiting to see someone trying it out on 136 kHz= as it looks quite promising.

=A0

http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/CMSK/cmsk.= htm

=A0

=A0

73 Terry GW0EZY <= /span>

=A0

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 02 February 2012 09:48
To: rsgb
Subject: L= F: OPERA QSO

=A0

Graham

Opera seems popular, =A0are there any plans ahead for a basic = QSO mode instead of Beacon only.

At present on MF/LF=A0it has popularity in its favour over the= other=A0data modes.

Instead of=A0FEC how about the amtor approach where the transm= ission triggers a RX stn who responds and a QSO=A0begins. The=A0exchange ne= ed only be a few key=A0words.

How about modifying Amtor or Pactor for MF use. =

mal/g3kev

=A0

=

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