Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C1F9F3800008A; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Rxmf9-0005VA-Kk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:45:19 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Rxmf9-0005V1-65 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:45:19 +0000 Received: from mail-yw0-f43.google.com ([209.85.213.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Rxmf7-0006WU-1B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:45:19 +0000 Received: by yhkk6 with SMTP id k6so1441011yhk.16 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:45:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3eEpCjGmmmgNofRR9v8sUTReFsBs9DMIu43BzYaQwqw=; b=DrRjzN2Y8UUQ/pGYUH623hAykI6XcsLTT7QSXyuOEBiiZxg7HyAR+e1C0FFDLpu81m WpH4sWezjaUlJwoIKeQAjU0rSyMD8qR7X1AM+93WmpoCDRXCZZZv3tpH6RcuEciWfJ3m XJWbPwQDrd4jnDgpC4W/Llpiq1BozPRxu9mnk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.41.131 with SMTP id f3mr14574155igl.28.1329342310572; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:45:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.158.68 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:45:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002801ccec2a$6b148430$1502a8c0@Clemens04> References: <6C05E5021A484E229E4D20124C3D4AA9@TraceyPC> <002d01cceb30$87c42cc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4F3A8898.40302@xs4all.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A015771@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <002801ccec2a$6b148430$1502a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:45:10 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: WRC-12 Approves the New 472-479 kHz Amateur Radio Allocation Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340f6134e24f04b907a0ba X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:474639648:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d015.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74f3c27a85bd0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --14dae9340f6134e24f04b907a0ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But what is interference? If none is reported, none is caused. And who is going to report interference to a service no one uses 'Andy www.g4jnt.com On 15 February 2012 21:40, Clemens Paul wrote: > Greetings all, > > I wonder what "secondary user on non-interference basis" means in practice. > As we know most NDBs are AM modulated with about 1kHz. > Now it would be interesting to know what selectivity/bandwidth DF receivers > for NDBs in aeroplanes might have. > Imagine they have 1kHz or even 2kHz (quite possible). > For non interfering such a receiver one would have to stay well without > that > BW. > Hence with a few NDBs spread between 422 and 479kHz there would > virtually remain no usable frequency for us amateurs if we wanted to make > 100% sure not to interfere any aeroplanes' beacon reception. > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > > --14dae9340f6134e24f04b907a0ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
But what is interference?=A0=A0
If none is reported, none is caused.
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And who is going to report interference to a service no one uses
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'Andy
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On 15 February 2012 21:40, Clemens Paul <cpaul@gmx.net>= wrote:
Greetings all,

I wonder what &= quot;secondary user on non-interference basis" means in practice.
As we know most NDBs are AM modulated with about 1kHz.
Now it would be i= nteresting to know what selectivity/bandwidth DF receivers
for NDBs in a= eroplanes might have.
Imagine they have 1kHz or even 2kHz (quite possibl= e).
For non interfering such a receiver one would have to stay well without tha= t
BW.
Hence with a few NDBs spread between 422 and 479kHz there would=
virtually remain no usable frequency for us amateurs if we wanted to ma= ke
100% sure not to interfere any aeroplanes' beacon reception.

73<= br>Clemens
DL4RAJ



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