Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7E5953800009B; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1S2Lst-00050d-Ny for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:10:23 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1S2Lst-00050U-55 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:10:23 +0000 Received: from mail-iy0-f171.google.com ([209.85.210.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1S2Lsr-0002sx-DK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:10:23 +0000 Received: by iadj38 with SMTP id j38so5255536iad.16 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 04:10:15 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of andy.g4jnt@gmail.com designates 10.50.46.164 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.46.164; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of andy.g4jnt@gmail.com designates 10.50.46.164 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=andy.g4jnt@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=andy.g4jnt@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.50.46.164]) by 10.50.46.164 with SMTP id w4mr2217577igm.54.1330431015225 (num_hops = 1); Tue, 28 Feb 2012 04:10:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=yHfBOPeJUmIEJ6ufd/0aKm/wtJtXAxQgYeFk0KH7RWI=; b=GCRXVFlPk9/DfQItiy4ok12JIaNR4v2TipdYslHbGelrbqAc/pB16vxBJjjsserBio cbY2wmq/f4ArJ/Du8sQt91VJzUZ4s/XQZMOkMf+CnRWKGz5b7HHckdlokrOnL+sA26SV is3ejmwjujGGxHpT6c+vS7LWi2KJUhPjevy/8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.46.164 with SMTP id w4mr1869247igm.54.1330431015165; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 04:10:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.12.73 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 04:10:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002501ccf606$88f8b8a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <74845C11BC3444D79B63A207E428BDE0@lindavideo> <005701ccf561$cd9d4250$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <098856018E3A46AB96BA9F9FC6C8FFCD@JimPC> <4F4C793C.25633.1363DE@dave.davesergeant.com> <002501ccf606$88f8b8a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:10:15 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band allocation Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340e630e9f4104ba051c02 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:433055456:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m008.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db40a4f4cc46b36ce X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --14dae9340e630e9f4104ba051c02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I had a morse key, sold it at a rally recently - got quite a lot for it surprisingly. An old airforce brass pounder thing that some enthusiast wanted. I used to do CW occasionally. Once took part in NFD (Farnborough club) station that came runner up on 80m back in the early 1980's. That was my first and one and only exposure to contest CW ever - wouldn't want to do that again, ever ever. Every bird was sending its callsign for days afterwards. Use CW on 10GHz when absolutely essential But I'd never use that mode for choice now when efficient narrowband data modes do the job a lot better.- its just not fun at all. I just do not like it. So you people who do like to use CW, please stop digging at those who take no pleasure in lilstening to on off tones and decoding by ear. Its not a case of "can't" , its "won't", do not like, using CW not fun ! Mind you. there's only one data mode on 10GHz that is useable when rainscatter comes into plays - that's JT4G with 315Hz tone spacing. CW works almost as well, but I think JT4G still has the edge when tones are spread out to 200Hz wide. S Opera may work on 10GHz RS, have to try it one day. 'jnt On 28 February 2012 10:48, mal hamilton wrote: > ** > Andy > This statement sounds like a self confessed Appliance Operator Amateur you > could at least try CW for a while. Intensely dislike seems strong. I even > tried Opera and do not dislike it or any Data mode but I prefer CW where > the skill of the operator is evident when communicating instead of > pressing GREEN for tx and RED for stop and AMBER for wait incase of a > DECODE as in Appliance Operator. > I would encourage you to get a morse key and have a Go, one has to be > positive !! > g3kev > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Andy Talbot > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:10 AM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band allocation > > That''s OK Dave, if Mal's opinion won the day, then this amateur would > never use the band. I will not use Morse. I intensely dislike it So one > way or the other one of us would populate the frequency. > > However, more than likely commone sense will prevail, as it always seems > to in the Am bands and operating in this country, > > 'jnt > > > > On 28 February 2012 06:50, Dave Sergeant wrote: > >> If such a rule built into the permits for this band then this amateur >> for one will never consider using it. >> >> 73 Dave G3YMC >> >> On 28 Feb 2012 at 0:02, James Moritz wrote: >> >> > So there is >> > a strong argument for amateurs not to use morse code at all in this >> > frequency range. It would be better to use totally different types of >> > transmission that would not be confused with a NDB beacon signal. >> > >> >> >> http://www.davesergeant.com >> >> >> > --14dae9340e630e9f4104ba051c02 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I had a morse key, sold it at a rally recently - got quite a lot for i= t surprisingly.=A0 An old airforce brass pounder thing that some enthusiast= wanted.=A0
I used to do CW occasionally.=A0=A0Once took part=A0in NFD=A0(Farnboro= ugh club) station that came runner up on 80m back in the early 1980's.= =A0 That was my first and one and only exposure to contest CW ever=A0- woul= dn't want to=A0do that again, ever ever.=A0 Every bird was sending its = callsign for days afterwards.=A0
=A0
Use=A0CW on=A010GHz when absolutely essential=A0But I'd never use= =A0that mode for choice now when efficient narrowband data modes do the job= a lot better.- its just not fun at all.=A0=A0 I just do not like it.=A0 So= you people who do like to use=A0CW, please stop digging at those who take = no pleasure in lilstening to on off tones and decoding by ear.
=A0
Its not a case of =A0"can't" , its "won't"= , do not like,=A0using CW=A0not fun !
=A0
Mind you.=A0there's only one data mode=A0on 10GHz that is useable= =A0when rainscatter comes into plays - that's JT4G with 315Hz tone spac= ing.=A0 CW works almost as well, but I think JT4G still has the edge when t= ones are spread out to 200Hz wide.=A0=A0 S
=A0
Opera may work on 10GHz RS, have to try it one day.
=A0
'jnt


=A0
On 28 February 2012 10:48, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.ne= t> wrote:
Andy
This statement sounds like a self confessed Appli= ance Operator Amateur you could at least try=A0CW for a while. Intensely di= slike=A0seems strong. I even tried Opera and do not dislike it=A0or any Dat= a mode=A0but I prefer CW where the skill of the operator is evident when co= mmunicating=A0instead of pressing=A0GREEN=A0for tx=A0and RED for stop and A= MBER for wait incase of a DECODE=A0as in Appliance Operator.
I would encourage you to get a morse key and have= a Go, one has to be positive !!
g3kev
=A0
=A0=A0
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:1= 0 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: NDBs & WRC-1= 2 LF band allocation

That''s OK Dave, if Mal's opinion won the day, then this a= mateur would never use the band.=A0 I will not use Morse.=A0 I intensely di= slike it=A0=A0 So one way or the other one of us would populate the frequen= cy.=A0
=A0
However, more than likely commone sense will prevail, as it always see= ms to in the Am bands and operating in this country,
=A0
'jnt


=A0
On 28 February 2012 06:50, Dave Sergeant <d= ave@davesergeant.com> wrote:
If such a rule built into the permits= for this band then this amateur
for one will never consider using it.
73 Dave G3YMC

On 28 Feb 2012 at 0:02, James Moritz wrote:

> So there i= s
> a strong argument for amateurs not to use morse code at all in th= is
> frequency range. It would be better to use totally different typ= es of
> transmission that would not be confused with a NDB beacon signal.
&= gt;


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