Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BB71A38000082; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 05:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Rxbid-0001ds-Ho for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:04:11 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Rxbid-0001dj-3O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:04:11 +0000 Received: from rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.129] helo=cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Rxbib-00010T-M9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:04:11 +0000 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: 4FE9B1380A0.AE519 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE9B1380A0 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:03:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub1.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.15]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id F343EF3862 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:03:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::f5f7:d8cc:bee0:28d3%26]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:03:56 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: LF: Re: WRC-12 Approves the New 472-479 kHz Amateur Radio Allocation Thread-Index: AQHM6yR0HJ50c7g3M0S77xDi449iN5Y8i6SA///1AQCAADHNYYAALOuAgAADOACAAMivGoAACmeQgAADbzo= Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:03:55 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A015AE4@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <6C05E5021A484E229E4D20124C3D4AA9@TraceyPC> <002d01cceb30$87c42cc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf>,<4F3A8898.40302@xs4all.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A015771@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <1329256461.49408.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>,<1519D8F7A7674A63AAC712BDE5C9C46E@JimPC> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A015A7A@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be>,<09C905922E0A4895848A748C5AF0A7CB@lindavideo> In-Reply-To: <09C905922E0A4895848A748C5AF0A7CB@lindavideo> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.12] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: Re: WRC-12 Approves the New 472-479 kHz Amateur Radio Allocation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:473856768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cd4f3b83556c2c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none The official reason is protection of the maritime mobile and aeronautical r= adionavigation services. In the past 5 years I have monitored the 450-525kHz range and apart from NA= VTEX on 518 and 490kHz I haven't heard any maritime mobile signals. There a= re a lot of NDB's (non directional beacon) that are part of the aeronautica= l radionavigation service, but their number is declining. Recently I have talked to a older pilot and he confirmed that these days ND= B's are seldom used for navigation but that a lot of airports keep them wor= king for safety reasons. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Ken [ken.h.wright@btinternet.com] Verzonden: woensdag 15 februari 2012 10:47 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: RE: LF: Re: WRC-12 Approves the New 472-479 kHz Amateur Radio Al= location Hi Gary, Roger & RiK etc. Thank you for your info on NOV renewal and protection zones, I appear to be falling behind on the politics of LF, why all of these protection zones in Europe and North Africa, is it because of the beacons? 73 Ken M0KHW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 15 February 2012 09:11 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Re: WRC-12 Approves the New 472-479 kHz Amateur Radio Allocation All, the 800km protection zone (=3D 1W EIRP limit) will affect a large part of Europe. Keep in mind that the protection zone is not only to the east but also to the south (all northern Africa countries requested protection). Attached a small map that shows the situation. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens James Moritz [james.moritz@btopenworld.com] Verzonden: dinsdag 14 februari 2012 23:05 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: WRC-12 Approves the New 472-479 kHz Amateur Radio Allocation Dear Pete, LF Group, >"Power will be limited to 1W EIRP, but allowing 5W EIRP for (parts of) >countries that are at least 800km (should read >LIGHT YEARS Which most >western countries are) from the border from a list of about 30 countries." Perhaps not as far as we would like - for example, is Kaliningrad still par= t of the Russian Federation ? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU=