Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9F240380000B0; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 07:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ry0tL-0000kG-8s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:56:55 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ry0tK-0000k7-ND for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:56:54 +0000 Received: from nm3.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.201]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ry0tJ-00049o-1B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:56:54 +0000 Received: from [217.146.183.196] by nm3.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2012 12:56:47 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.203] by tm2.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2012 12:56:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2012 12:56:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 145691.40806.bm@omp1001.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 74788 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2012 12:56:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=3bAIELTSYRsRfvLT8szgneyYU2ruZzJVfGdoE8Id4ycYFz+Nzfgihj6mUQ/HoshxMp7bfe7zuUvX6jORryK/sHTuRoBVRq+/Ba8d2pJR4ezd/Eu/h8Xe8xrg6HBGr/xxvUgASq3TrteFrWtmdBj26nnm5H3yZy3KDI1KCZCcwuE= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1329397006; bh=C5zUDxEciNOswxOX6qBvoU/VS3p6IIf8OTZjKk4G7RM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=mM58JyXY24x4sqDNEn3c9TkTlo+3GzHMwL1YbRjKQJ6D0XmJ8wfBQzMCwyHrfTbdG8P96kGWDFYZr6OTGvLP2RELYxteR07drdyMlEi7FW+BF+MgTsrkokNY6fQfWTkS3XuRLyv7x3tPutdDIwuH9B8uy0q+y8/h8EY141kBFlM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: il1Qe_IVM1lZMKw401e9d9JxUO0dqIigJl90AiuGTSM9ORO 1pk2m4scr3TMnDmGqQXjs0GqNhw.jY2AAka.1SBzZ8.Jt6zeuVh2fXZ5ZgEj Yd.xNUB8w7jjpKKgWu3o8EbqmH8FpJ_5Lt4knwfKvBGd7MqtilmH5w8qqFAA Ugdl.b3HKgl0fmwsSemfqFsAzeXsqz7rSR6MtxRgBesM9l8.stQ3QCUcIdQb rvRSXk0kBE1xzIxqYTvXshDoBmwCA87PbKWSzVfFWxaJu2C.hnFNEBxnPF9K slpDGDei768jCSYRNTgV37YaaI9UKiLAEwaSy5cK_4Tnso5Eo9Xl9bPmcQ3R C_53xnBomwrFbnRkLRUbhbWTtxanXO6aGjxwHK7g0lfdZAucjAriFEYgI3d4 ioWwC4CvJXn0_0kemTzJqxcJvpAdv9tOe X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.185.144.57 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2012 12:56:46 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <6BAC6F57AEC94A8FA8526FDF1369F8D4@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <6C05E5021A484E229E4D20124C3D4AA9@TraceyPC> <002d01cceb30$87c42cc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4F3A8898.40302@xs4all.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A015771@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <002801ccec2a$6b148430$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <002201ccec36$0387c3c0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:56:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: WRC-12 Approves the New 472-479 kHz Amateur Radio Allocation Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:379606656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m021.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864f3cfd5300e1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Roelof, LF Group, > The requirements for the service area of a NDB is a fieldstrength of 70 > uV/m at the borderline. > So to cause noticeable interference, the offending signal must be rather > strong. > Many NDB's share the same channel, apparently without problems. > Unless you actually live in or near the service area of a NDB in the > 472-479 kHz frequency range, the NIB regulations won't pose a problem. The ADF receivers that use these beacons essentially process the carrier amplitude and phase received using directional antennas in order to obtain the bearing. So the effective bandwidth of the receiving system can be made rather narrow; the audio sidebands are mostly there for ID purposes. Since there are always many potential QRM and noise sources in the MF range, ADF receiver design has evolved to cope with quite poor SNR. So even if you are located near or within such a service area, provided you keep clear of the actual beacon carrier frequency, ADF receivers will probably not suffer harmful interference. This should not be too hard with 7kHz to play with, and only a handful of widely scattered beacons within the range - it is only common sense to avoid using a frequency where there is a strong beacon signal causing you 24/7 QRM! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU