Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9CA3A3800009A; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 07:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RsvvW-0005so-PZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:38:10 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RsvvW-0005sf-7V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:38:10 +0000 Received: from filter02.i-online.fr ([195.200.78.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RsvvV-00037K-35 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:38:10 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by filter02.i-online.fr (IceWarp 10.2.2) with ESMTP (SSL) id MON62651 for ; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:37:51 +0100 Received: (qmail 12978 invoked by uid 507); 2 Feb 2012 13:37:59 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.101?) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2012 13:37:59 +0100 From: John Rabson Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:38:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002201cce18f$b4c42c70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <001801cce1a4$c5a62d30$50f28790$@com> Message-Id: <5B99F338-BF32-476F-8FDE-7D72481864CF@numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5A2914DA-97DD-4965-82F6-DBAB7BEAAE28" Subject: Re: LF: RE: OPERA QSO X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:481778880:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4054f2a83f066c5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail=_5A2914DA-97DD-4965-82F6-DBAB7BEAAE28 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Do I file this under Narrow band or Humour? John F5VLF On 2 Feb 2012, at 13:27CET, Douglas D. Williams wrote: > Excellent. We will soon be able to have entire QSOs and perhaps even = earn award certificates to hang on our walls without ever actually = having to be present in our shacks. ;-) > =20 > Doug KB4OER >=20 > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Terry GW0EZY wrote: > Mal >=20 > =20 >=20 > I=92m sure Graham will provide a full answer, but I noticed this in = the =93readme.txt=94 file (look in the Opera folder): >=20 > =20 >=20 > v1.2.2 Beta >=20 > Mean Power and antenna data in Operator menu >=20 > Auto QSO option. This system send the QSO automatically when the = contact is done in both directions. One QSO every 24 hours. >=20 > =20 >=20 > I=92ve not tried it and there is some discussion on the Opera Yahoo = pages about what constitutes a =93QSO=94! >=20 > =20 >=20 > Interesting thought about an ARQ type mode for LF. Pactor is a = proprietary mode and needs a licence from SCS-PTC. For some reason, = there are no currently available multimode programs giving Amtor ARQ = and it has dropped out of favour. However, there are some recently = developed (freeware) ARQ alternatives to Amtor (e.g. V4Chat) and some = that have adapted standard PSK modes for QRQ but all are really intended = for HF propagation conditions. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Of course Murray Greenman ZL2AFP has developed CMSK Narrow-band weak = signal mode for LF/MF QSOs, although it isn=92t ARQ. I have been waiting = to see someone trying it out on 136 kHz as it looks quite promising. >=20 > =20 >=20 > http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/CMSK/cmsk.htm >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > 73 Terry GW0EZY >=20 > =20 >=20 > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton > Sent: 02 February 2012 09:48 > To: rsgb > Subject: LF: OPERA QSO >=20 > =20 >=20 > Graham >=20 > Opera seems popular, are there any plans ahead for a basic QSO mode = instead of Beacon only. >=20 > At present on MF/LF it has popularity in its favour over the other = data modes. >=20 > Instead of FEC how about the amtor approach where the transmission = triggers a RX stn who responds and a QSO begins. The exchange need only = be a few key words. >=20 > How about modifying Amtor or Pactor for MF use. >=20 > mal/g3kev >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_5A2914DA-97DD-4965-82F6-DBAB7BEAAE28 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Do I = file this under Narrow band or Humour?

John = F5VLF

On 2 Feb 2012, at 13:27CET, Douglas D. = Williams wrote:

Excellent. We will soon be able to have entire QSOs = and perhaps even earn award certificates to hang on our walls without = ever actually having to be present in our shacks. ;-)
 
Doug KB4OER

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Terry GW0EZY = <gw0ezy@sky.com> wrote:

= Mal

=  

= I=92m sure Graham will provide a full answer, but I noticed this in the =  =93readme.txt=94  file (look in the Opera = folder):

=  

= v1.2.2 Beta

=   Mean Power and antenna data in Operator = menu

=   Auto QSO option. This system send the QSO automatically when the = contact is done in both directions. One QSO every 24 = hours.

=  

= I=92ve not tried it and there is some discussion on the Opera Yahoo = pages about what constitutes a =93QSO=94!

=  

= Interesting thought about an ARQ type mode for LF. Pactor is a = proprietary mode and needs a licence from SCS-PTC. For some reason, = there are no currently available multimode programs giving  Amtor = ARQ and it has dropped out of favour. However, there are some recently = developed (freeware) ARQ alternatives to Amtor  (e.g. V4Chat) and = some that have adapted standard PSK modes for QRQ but all are really = intended for HF propagation conditions.

=  

= Of course Murray Greenman ZL2AFP has developed CMSK Narrow-band weak = signal mode for LF/MF QSOs, although it isn=92t ARQ. I have been waiting = to see someone trying it out on 136 kHz as it looks quite promising. =

=  

= http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/CMSK/cmsk.htm

=  

=  

= 73 Terry GW0EZY

=  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf = Of mal hamilton
Sent: 02 February 2012 09:48
To: = rsgb
Subject: LF: OPERA = QSO

 

Graham

=

Opera seems popular, =  are there any plans ahead for a basic QSO mode instead of Beacon = only.

At present on MF/LF it = has popularity in its favour over the other data modes. =

Instead of FEC how about = the amtor approach where the transmission triggers a RX stn who responds = and a QSO begins. The exchange need only be a few = key words.

How about modifying Amtor or = Pactor for MF use.

mal/g3kev<= /p>

 



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