Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6BF6238000084; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 05:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1S2KFv-0003l3-C8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:26:03 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1S2KFu-0003ku-Vu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:26:02 +0000 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1S2KFt-0001kc-IN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:26:02 +0000 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1SAQ0Iv027446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:26:00 +0100 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q1SAQ0lB025932 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:26:00 +0100 Message-ID: <4F4CAB85.5040403@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:25:09 +0100 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <74845C11BC3444D79B63A207E428BDE0@lindavideo> <1205576556-1330352309-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-124445598-@b27.c11.bise7.blackberry> <005701ccf561$cd9d4250$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <098856018E3A46AB96BA9F9FC6C8FFCD@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <098856018E3A46AB96BA9F9FC6C8FFCD@JimPC> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Re: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band allocation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:354090272:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154f4cabf33c54 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none MF, Am 28.02.2012 01:02, schrieb James Moritz: > [...] if someone navigating an aircraft sets their ADF receiver to a > particular beacon frequency and hears an assortment of > amateur-generated morse code mixed up with the beacon ID, this is > likely to cause confusion or error. So there is a strong argument for > amateurs not to use morse code at all in this frequency range. It > would be better to use totally different types of transmission that > would not be confused with a NDB beacon signal. Now, if there are so many NDBs in that small spectrum, it may be difficult for us to find a free frequency at all. Also it will be difficult to define a useful bandplan and we have to add the NDBs into a graphic bandplan if that will really be a problem. Will we really cause interferences with NDBs if we actually run 1W or 5W EIRP? If so, it will surely happen that a radio amateur causes problems for the NDB users. But, if the NDB density is really so high, then it wouldn't be a problem for the user just to choose another NDB for natigation!? Sooner or later the NDB navigators will be nerved and will QSY (not the NDBs itselfe). That little range of 7 kHz, for me it is unlikely that there is no alternative for them. Also i think these few NDB users will not cause trouble for us, by complaining to the authorities. Otherwise we will see. I think we just should wait for the local allocation and then do our work on the band and see what happens. 73, Stefan/DK7FC