Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 432B2380000AD; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:43:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1S0ZrJ-0002Pe-2a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:41:25 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1S0ZrI-0002PV-K3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:41:24 +0000 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1S0ZrH-0000La-4Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:41:24 +0000 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1NEfMZL002096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:41:22 +0100 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q1NEfL7T032720 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:41:22 +0100 Message-ID: <4F464FE3.5060102@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:40:35 +0100 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000501ccf191$e3929c50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4F455C82.9040303@usa.net> <4F463F6E.4060008@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4F4648E6.2010202@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4F4648E6.2010202@usa.net> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: DK7FC in North Italy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070102060108000003040104" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464972832:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4f4650774429 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070102060108000003040104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q1NEfMZL002096 Hi Alberto, Interesting. Keep us informed about your results with the short active=20 dipole. I've never tried such an antenna so far. But maybe it could be=20 an idea, if the ground is QRM-contaminated... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 23.02.2012 15:10, schrieb Alberto di Bene: > On 2/23/2012 2:30 PM, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: >> Hi Alberto, >> >> That looks fine. I'm glad to get a report from you, thank you. >> How long was that wire and was it in the house or outside?:-) > Hi Stefan, > > oh, that wire was just a dipole for the 40m band, directly=20 > connected to the receiver, without any form of tuning for the 137kHz ba= nd. > Signals are low, but so also is the noise... :-) > Often is advantageous to have a not so high gain antenna... the S/N=20 > ratio can improve... not always, but sometimes yes. > > That dipole is low in height. Actually it is an inverted V, with the=20 > apex at 10m from the ground. > For the LF band I have also a mini whip, temporarily out of service,=20 > as I used the coax feeding it for some tests of a differential active=20 > antenna, > with two beer cans spaced abt 1.5m connected to the differential=20 > inputs of a high impedance amplifier. It works quite well, as it does > not need to be referred to a ground potential, but maybe I have to=20 > change the schematic of that transimpedance amplifier, as it > exhibits more intermodulation that I thought it should have.... > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > --------------070102060108000003040104 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q1NEfMZL002096 Hi Alberto,

Interesting. Keep us informed about your results with the short active dipole. I've never tried such an antenna so far. But maybe it could be an idea, if the ground is QRM-contaminated...

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 23.02.2012 15:10, schrieb Alberto di Bene:
On 2/23/2012 2:30 PM, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:
Hi Alberto,

That looks fine. I'm glad to get a report from you, thank you.
How long was that wire and was it in the house or outside? :-)
Hi Stefan,

=A0=A0 oh, that wire was just a dipole for the 40m band, directly connect= ed to the receiver, without any form of tuning for the 137kHz band.
Signals are low, but so also is the noise...=A0 :-)=A0=A0=A0=A0
Often is advantageous to have a not so high gain antenna... the S/N ratio can improve... not always, but sometimes yes.

That dipole is low in height. Actually it is an inverted V, with the apex at 10m from the ground.
For the LF band I have also a mini whip, temporarily out of service, as I used the coax feeding it for some tests of a differential active antenna,
with two beer cans spaced abt 1.5m connected to the differential inputs of a high impedance amplifier.=A0 It works quite well, as it=A0 does
not need to be referred to a ground potential, but maybe I have to change the schematic of that transimpedance amplifier, as it
exhibits more intermodulation that I thought it should have....

73=A0 Alberto=A0 I2PHD

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