Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 89A6A380000B1; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:47:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ry3WP-000187-RK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:45:25 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ry3WO-00017y-Cw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:45:24 +0000 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ry3WM-0005He-WC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:45:24 +0000 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1GFjLS1030383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:45:22 +0100 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q1GFjFd4004900 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:45:15 +0100 Message-ID: <4F3D2469.5090209@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:44:41 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <6C05E5021A484E229E4D20124C3D4AA9@TraceyPC> <002d01cceb30$87c42cc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4F3A8898.40302@xs4all.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A015771@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <002801ccec2a$6b148430$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <002201ccec36$0387c3c0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Re: WRC-12 Approves the New 472-479 kHz Amateur Radio Allocation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:345353920:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4f3d250a30ce X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Thanks for the useful explanations, Roelof. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 16.02.2012 13:03, schrieb Roelof Bakker: > Hello all, > > I believe it is time to put things into the right perspective. > > Technically speaking, NDB's are obsolete. > However in practice, they are not. > NDB's are in widely use in the offshore industry for guiding > helicopters to offshore installations and special purpose offshore > vessels. > New work ships build today and equipped with a heli-deck carry also a > NDB. > > When America is not your best friend, it seems sensible that for > aeronautical direction finding, you won't rely on the US GPS system. > NDB's are very reliable and cheap to maintain and not easily wiped out > all together, so the system has good redundancy. > For that reason it can be understood why some countries ask for some > protection for this service. > > Regarding the NIB issue, the EIRP of most NDB's is in the same class > as the EIRP of the amateur license for 472-479 kHz. > The NDB band covers 190 kHz to 1740 kHz and that includes the MW > broadcast band. > Many Russian NDB's transmit in the range 530 - 1250 kHz and though > many powerful broadcast stations reside in the same frequency range, > this does not seem to pose a problem. > > The requirements for the service area of a NDB is a fieldstrength of > 70 uV/m at the borderline. > So to cause noticeable interference, the offending signal must be > rather strong. > Many NDB's share the same channel, apparently without problems. > Unless you actually live in or near the service area of a NDB in the > 472-479 kHz frequency range, the NIB regulations won't pose a problem. > It is also interesting to note that quite a few offshore NDB's in the > Norwegian part of the North Sea operate between 530 and 600 kHz. > > So this NIB requirement won't spoil he fun! > > 73, > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt