Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A67EA380000A9; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RwbKh-0004A4-RI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:27:19 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RwbKh-00049v-F8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:27:19 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RwbKf-00070V-4K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:27:19 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAObZN09Olm+i/2dsb2JhbAAMN7MtQCUYFhgDAgECAVgIAQG/UYtKLQIKBwEFBAMEBAcOBgEDCAEEIoNke4MdBI1lmjE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,408,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="361058946" Received: from host-78-150-111-162.as13285.net (HELO [192.168.2.5]) ([78.150.111.162]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 12 Feb 2012 15:27:08 +0000 Message-ID: <4F37DA4B.7050400@talktalk.net> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:27:07 +0000 From: qrss User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: LF: Casting Bits Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:402109568:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404c4f37da891301 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I remember Graham saying you can lose 1/3 of OPERA Data and still get copy but he was not sure which 1/3. I have tried dropping 1/3 of the data bit spread throughout the message in a random fashion, this looks very cruel and it is, I have had just on copy and local at that. Only 2 stations to punish with tests this afternoon this are normal results :- 14:21 500 G3ZJO de G8HUH Op4 181 km -26 dB in Somerset. 14:21 500 G3ZJO de M0BMU Op4 -15 dB in nr Hatfield 14:21 500 G3ZJO de G3ZJO Op4 0 km +6 dB in Northampton 1/3 random bits dropped throughout entire message:- 13:35 500 8N3CSZ de G3ZJO Op4 -30 dB in Northampton Two more tests can give surprising results. 1/3 of all data dropped in the middle of the transmission :- 14:47 500 G3ZJO de M0BMU Op4 76 km -17 dB in nr Hatfield 14:47 500 G3ZJO de G3ZJO Op4 0 km +3 dB in Northampton 1/3 of all data dropped in random blocks :- 14:53 500 G3ZJO de G8HUH Op4 181 km -28 dB in Somerset. test4 14:53 500 G3ZJO de M0BMU Op4 76 km -17 dB in nr Hatfield 14:52 500 G3ZJO de G3ZJO Op4 +0 dB in Northampton Naturally propagation comes into play here G8HUH does not copy every time. 73 Eddie G3ZJO