Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5FBFC380000A8; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 14:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Rt1Bz-0007rG-Ss for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 18:15:31 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Rt1Bz-0007r7-79 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 18:15:31 +0000 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([195.4.92.92]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Rt1By-0005lK-Mf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 18:15:31 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.140] (helo=mjail0.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1Rt1Bx-0001iM-DL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:15:29 +0100 Received: from localhost ([::1]:41832 helo=mjail0.freenet.de) by mjail0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1Rt1Bx-0003QL-Ci for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:15:29 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.17] (port=50880 helo=7.mx.freenet.de) by mjail0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1Rt19f-0001gb-1p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:13:07 +0100 Received: from blfd-4d088559.pool.mediaways.net ([77.8.133.89]:3040 helo=[192.168.178.22]) by 7.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (port 465) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1Rt19e-0003MV-JG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:13:06 +0100 Message-ID: <4F2AD231.3020005@freenet.de> Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:13:05 +0100 From: wolf_dl4yhf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001cce062$f75dfad0$e619f070$@broadpark.no> <8CEAED202205706-C78-2162B@webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com> <4F2929BD.4070308@charter.net> <4F2946AE.6040205@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4F2AC269.7090605@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Progress using WOLF on VLF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010901050105070703060404" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:411750944:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4f2addb93065 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010901050105070703060404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Stefan, about your question: > > Then i've done several tests using different frequency tolerance > values (above: t = 0.3 Hz). After calibrating the soundcard by using > the shown offset, the offset was 0, consequencial ;-) But even if a > tolerance of 0.002 Hz was choosen, it still took /about/ the same time > to get the first decode. Any comments? > The reason is, the WOLF decoder processes an entire band simultaneously. It's like having a bunch of receivers working in parallel, each of them looking on its own frequency. This is the reason why the CPU load from the decoder increases dramatically when using a larger frequency tolerance. > Right now i feeld that i am missing a spectrogram which i can show > here. Just text! Odd. > One possibility to have a spectrogram-like display would be to square the 'downconverted' (baseband) WOLF signal. The spectrum of the squared signal should show distinct lines as already mentioned by Markus. I just wasn't aware of this when I wrote the graphic user interface for Stewart's WOLF decoder. In the normal spectrum, you will indeed hardly notice the WOLF signal, which renders the display quite useless as the indicator for the 'presence' of a signal. The trace gets invisible in the spectrogram long before it drops below the level for successful decoding. All the best and good luck with the VLF tests, it's very interesting. Especially when considering the possibilities with GPS-based synchronisation (which, of course, does *not* exist in the present implementations of the decoder). Wolf DL4YHF . --------------010901050105070703060404 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Stefan,

about your question:



Then i've done several tests using different frequency tolerance values (above: t = 0.3 Hz). After calibrating the soundcard by using the shown offset, the offset was 0, consequencial ;-) But even if a tolerance of 0.002 Hz was choosen, it still took about the same time to get the first decode. Any comments?


The reason is, the WOLF decoder processes an entire band simultaneously. It's like having a bunch of receivers working in parallel, each of them looking on its own frequency. This is the reason why the CPU load from the decoder increases dramatically when using a larger frequency tolerance.


Right now i feeld that i am missing a spectrogram which i can show here. Just text! Odd.


One possibility to have a spectrogram-like display would be to square the 'downconverted' (baseband) WOLF signal. The spectrum of the squared signal should show distinct lines as already mentioned by Markus.
I just wasn't aware of this when I wrote the graphic user interface for Stewart's WOLF decoder.
In the normal spectrum, you will indeed hardly notice the WOLF signal, which renders the display quite useless as the indicator for the 'presence' of a signal. The trace gets invisible in the spectrogram long before it drops below the level for successful decoding.

All the best and good luck with the VLF tests, it's very interesting. Especially when considering the possibilities with GPS-based synchronisation (which, of course, does *not* exist in the present implementations of the decoder).


   Wolf  DL4YHF .


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