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(john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2012 18:55:09 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) From: John Rabson X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:54:27 +0100 Message-Id: <1D822DD0-ED9D-4707-8966-3134E77FD501@numeo.fr> References: , To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Band 472_479 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A4C9D312-CEC1-4830-8072-62D59774725F" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:486180608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad04f43df7c485a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail=_A4C9D312-CEC1-4830-8072-62D59774725F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 SSH! You'll make Mal jealous. F5VLF On 21 Feb 2012, at 18:30CET, Graham wrote: > >>build a new BEAM ANTENNA on my garden<< > =20 > Now that's what I call a back GARDEN !!! > =20 > G.... : )=20 > =20 > =20 >=20 > From: Lubos OK2BVG > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:22 PM > To: _RSGB_LF > Subject: LF: Band 472_479 >=20 > Hello Petr and all OMs! > That is fine! Be lucky, you are 212km away :-) > I was briefly receiving on the new band as well. I listened to signals = from NDB "RP", "PT", "VIB", "BIA" : =20 >=20 > 477kHz 1018/1030 RP Malacky/Kuchyna SVK JN88NL > 475kHz 1014/1018 PT Petrovskoye RUS LO01CR > 480kHz 1020/1025 VIB Viterbo ITA JN62AK > 474kHz 1031/1034 BIA Rzeszow/Jasionka POL KO10BC >=20 > Well, despite my problem with huge "RP" signal I am sure, that the = band will be usable for me. I am going to build a new beam antenna on = my garden. Its minimum receiving must be direct to "RP", of course :-) =20= >=20 > 73! >=20 > Lubos, OK2BVG >=20 >=20 > =20 > From: p.maly@gmc.net > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:32:56 +0100 > Subject: Re: LF: Band 472_479 >=20 > Hello all, > =20 > I am not so pesimistic, more exactly, I am a bit more lucky. I am abt = 212 km away from RP. > I made a first reception test this Sunday. RP is the strongest signal = on the band but it doesn=92t bother much. Besides it I heard two more = beacons. The band is more spacy and much calmer than 136kHz. Looking = forward to the day it is crowded by HAM sigs. > =20 > Listen to recordings at: > http://ok1fig.nagano.cz/Band630m.htm > =20 > 73, Petr, OK1FIG > =20 > =20 > From: Lubos OK2BVG > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 17:26 > To: _RSGB_LF > Subject: LF: Band 472_479 > =20 > Hello OMs! > I read all your comments about new HAM band, they were written in the = last days. To tell the truth, to use this band will be a problem for me = and all HAMS in our region. There is a Slovak NDB beacon "RP" located = right between 472 and 479kHz. > =20 > CALL : RP > FREQ: 477kHz > Modulation: +/- 1060Hz side bands > QTH: Malacky/Kuchyna > QRA: JN88NL =20 > =20 > My QTH is only 37km far from the "RP". The beacon=B4s signal is = constantly at least +50dB up to noise (in fact +60dB in the modulation = gaps). The carrier is not problem, but the worst thing is the wide = strong noise during the transmission. It is about +25dB - see the = picture. I made sure myself, that it was not a problem of my RX. The = situation is the same, when an attenuator between antenna and RX is = used. > =20 > I hope that "RP" will not be a problem for you as well! > =20 > 73 > =20 > Lubos, OK2BVG --Apple-Mail=_A4C9D312-CEC1-4830-8072-62D59774725F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 SSH!  You'll make Mal = jealous.

F5VLF

On = 21 Feb 2012, at 18:30CET, Graham wrote:

 >>build a new  = BEAM  ANTENNA  on my = garden<<
 
Now=  that's  what  I call  a  back   = GARDEN !!!
 
G....  : ) 
 
 

Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 = 5:22 PM
Sub= ject: LF: Band = 472_479

Hello Petr and = all OMs!
That is fine! Be lucky, you are 212km away :-)
I was = briefly receiving on the new band as well. I listened to signals from = NDB  "RP", "PT", "VIB",  "BIA" : =  

477kHz    1018/1030   =  RP    Malacky/Kuchyna       SVK   = JN88NL
475kHz   480kHz   =  1020/1025    VIB   Viterbo       =               ITA   =  JN62AK
474kHz =    1031/1034    BIA   Rzeszow/Jasionka   =   POL    KO10BC

Well, = despite my problem with huge  "RP" signal I am sure, that the band = will be  usable for me. I am going to build a new beam antenna on = my garden. Its minimum receiving must be direct to "RP", of course :-) =   

73!

Lubos, = OK2BVG


 
From: p.maly@gmc.net
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= /a>
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:32:56 +0100
Subject: Re: LF: Band = 472_479

Hello = all,
 
I am not so pesimistic, more exactly, I = am a bit more lucky. I am abt 212 km away from RP.
I made a = first reception test this Sunday. RP is the strongest signal on the band = but it doesn=92t bother much. Besides it I heard two more beacons. The = band is more spacy and much calmer than 136kHz. Looking forward to the = day it is crowded by HAM sigs.
 
Listen to = recordings at:
 = ;
73, Petr, OK1FIG
 
 
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 = 17:26
Sub= ject: LF: Band = 472_479
 
Hello OMs!
I read all your comments about new HAM band, = they were written in the last days. To tell the truth, to use this = band  will be a problem for me and all HAMS in our region. There is = a Slovak NDB beacon "RP" located right between 472 and = 479kHz.
 
CALL : RP
FREQ: = 477kHz
Modulation:    +/- 1060Hz side = bands
QTH: Malacky/Kuchyna
QRA: = JN88NL  
 
My QTH is only 37km far = from the "RP". The beacon=B4s signal is constantly  at least +50dB = up to noise (in fact +60dB in the modulation gaps). The carrier is not = problem, but the worst thing is the wide strong noise during the = transmission. It is about +25dB - see the picture. I made sure myself, = that it was not a problem of my RX. The situation is the same, when an = attenuator between antenna and RX is used.
 
I = hope that "RP" will not be a problem for you as = well!
 
73
 
Lubos, = OK2BVG

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