Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 44AD5380000B6; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RxQqG-0008KW-KJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:27:20 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RxQqF-0008KN-T7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:27:19 +0000 Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.145]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RxQqD-0004j5-9e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:27:19 +0000 Received: from mtaout-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.70]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q1EMRFNb001256 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:27:15 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.66] (host-92-6-236-196.as43234.net [92.6.236.196]) by mtaout-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id B0756E0000CB for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:27:14 -0500 (EST) From: pat To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <480C36EBBB9D49C199B80B1701E4CBB6@JimPC> References: <6C05E5021A484E229E4D20124C3D4AA9@TraceyPC> <002d01cceb30$87c42cc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4F3A8898.40302@xs4all.nl> <004f01cceb36$0d2435e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <008901cceb3f$1c9278d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <64BBE2766733482DA05BDC89731E2BFE@TraceyPC> <009301cceb49$c67e2ec0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <480C36EBBB9D49C199B80B1701E4CBB6@JimPC> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:27:12 +0000 Message-ID: <1329258432.4438.5.camel@g4gvw-high-grade> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1329258435; bh=UaQ6XYnGxOSug1A8M0Mb3JgLi9REQN4jmKJRA0bES8c=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=Iw/f30iYTY9Jx+NG34YFlUS6ocOvYXOth854BEFDue35czYQG6j/2A2Pghf9/dziL 1U/2/Q3FFM4fdxSBy8UVy1iNYGn2ul+nflIZTCyP3DV+GcwdQvXGOkuJXXM/zq30JE DljFE72HxtsShXtiWvt673sSLAjGQcJKZCwRcqyk= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:399144352:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: WRC-12 Approves the New 472-479 kHz Amateur Radio Allocation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:424403840:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m017.1 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b4f3ae13b4d6f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Jim, Your final sentence further underlines a point I have made on a couple of occasions. It is not just the hard work by national societies but the perceived image of the amateur radio operator as a responsible experimenter and innovator. Exhibiting these qualities adds credibility to our various societies' efforts. Anyway very many congrats to all involved On Tue, 2012-02-14 at 20:23 +0000, James Moritz wrote: > Dear Mal, LF group, > > > I just had a listen and you are correct in fact I doubt if there is enough > > space for any radio amateur to communicate without interference from such > > beacons. > > So which beacons can you hear? On what frequencies? > > Remember it is the beacons who will be the primary band users when the > 475kHz band comes into being, so the primary concern will be us amateurs not > interfering with them, rather than the other way round. > > > Next question who was the person or persons that recommended this part of > > the MF spectrum for radio amateur use ?? > > It is more a matter of amateurs struggling to gain access to any part of > this frequency range - remember, these frequencies have been fully occupied > for nearly a century now. The incumbents are tenaciously defending their > spectrum "territory" even if they are not really using it for anything. > Getting allocated any segment of spectrum is a triumph that required a lot > of hard work by many national amateur societies on behalf of their members. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > -- 73 es gd dx de Pat G4GVW, Nr Felixstowe, East Coast, UK