Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1029638000143; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:50:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1S2OHv-00065X-1a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:44:23 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1S2OHu-00065O-Df for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:44:22 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1S2OHs-00047x-4n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:44:22 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgIFAOrnTE9Ok80c/2dsb2JhbABCnTwDlieBCIFuBQEBBAEIAQEDSAECJgYBAQMFAgEDBwoEAQEKJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAQ6HYgmpK5A/iRCDZAcIAQUCAxMBWwwBhQAPMgEFBQMBBggDBAMGCgGDLQSCXYU/hTqTAodX X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,496,1325462400"; d="scan'208,217";a="506954184" Received: from host-78-147-205-28.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.205.28]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 28 Feb 2012 14:44:13 +0000 Message-ID: <003f01ccf627$6fc28c00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <74845C11BC3444D79B63A207E428BDE0@lindavideo><005701ccf561$cd9d4250$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><098856018E3A46AB96BA9F9FC6C8FFCD@JimPC><4F4C793C.25633.1363DE@dave.davesergeant.com><002501ccf606$88f8b8a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:44:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band allocation Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01CCF627.6F8227A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:365965568:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40594f4cf7ab4e4b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CCF627.6F8227A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some private emails I am getting agree with Andy, cw made them sick with = symptoms similar to Yellow Fever or Colera. The problem turned out to be Asymetrical Ears where one ear had a = different capture area to the other. After treatment, in some cases = Stretching or Shrinking and in more serious cases a transplant they = enjoyed CW thereafter. Symptoms of Asymetrical Ears is the Diversity Effect, signal up in one = ear and down in the other then a crossover and the reverse takes place. = If QSB is present especially at crossover this is Nasty and causes = Testenticluar resonances, then you have another problem. CW is not for the faint hearted. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Talbot=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:10 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band allocation I had a morse key, sold it at a rally recently - got quite a lot for = it surprisingly. An old airforce brass pounder thing that some = enthusiast wanted. =20 I used to do CW occasionally. Once took part in NFD (Farnborough = club) station that came runner up on 80m back in the early 1980's. That = was my first and one and only exposure to contest CW ever - wouldn't = want to do that again, ever ever. Every bird was sending its callsign = for days afterwards.=20 Use CW on 10GHz when absolutely essential But I'd never use that mode = for choice now when efficient narrowband data modes do the job a lot = better.- its just not fun at all. I just do not like it. So you = people who do like to use CW, please stop digging at those who take no = pleasure in lilstening to on off tones and decoding by ear. Its not a case of "can't" , its "won't", do not like, using CW not = fun ! Mind you. there's only one data mode on 10GHz that is useable when = rainscatter comes into plays - that's JT4G with 315Hz tone spacing. CW = works almost as well, but I think JT4G still has the edge when tones are = spread out to 200Hz wide. S Opera may work on 10GHz RS, have to try it one day. 'jnt =20 On 28 February 2012 10:48, mal hamilton wrote: Andy This statement sounds like a self confessed Appliance Operator = Amateur you could at least try CW for a while. Intensely dislike seems = strong. I even tried Opera and do not dislike it or any Data mode but I = prefer CW where the skill of the operator is evident when communicating = instead of pressing GREEN for tx and RED for stop and AMBER for wait = incase of a DECODE as in Appliance Operator. I would encourage you to get a morse key and have a Go, one has to = be positive !! g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Talbot=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:10 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band allocation That''s OK Dave, if Mal's opinion won the day, then this amateur = would never use the band. I will not use Morse. I intensely dislike it = So one way or the other one of us would populate the frequency. =20 However, more than likely commone sense will prevail, as it always = seems to in the Am bands and operating in this country, 'jnt =20 On 28 February 2012 06:50, Dave Sergeant = wrote: If such a rule built into the permits for this band then this = amateur for one will never consider using it. 73 Dave G3YMC On 28 Feb 2012 at 0:02, James Moritz wrote: > So there is > a strong argument for amateurs not to use morse code at all in = this > frequency range. It would be better to use totally different = types of > transmission that would not be confused with a NDB beacon = signal. > http://www.davesergeant.com ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CCF627.6F8227A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some private emails I am getting agree with = Andy, cw made=20 them sick with symptoms similar to Yellow Fever  or = Colera.
The problem  turned out to be Asymetrical = Ears where=20 one ear had a different capture area to the other. After treatment, =  in=20 some cases Stretching or Shrinking and in more serious cases a = transplant=20 they enjoyed CW thereafter.
Symptoms of Asymetrical Ears is the Diversity=20 Effect, signal up in one ear and down in the other then a crossover = and the=20 reverse takes place. If QSB is present especially at crossover this = is=20 Nasty and causes Testenticluar resonances, then you have another=20 problem.
CW is not for the faint hearted.
 
  
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andy=20 Talbot
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, = 2012 12:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: NDBs & = WRC-12 LF=20 band allocation

I had a morse key, sold it at a rally recently - got quite a lot = for it=20 surprisingly.  An old airforce brass pounder thing that some = enthusiast=20 wanted. 
I used to do CW occasionally.  Once took part in=20 NFD (Farnborough club) station that came runner up on 80m back in = the=20 early 1980's.  That was my first and one and only exposure to = contest CW=20 ever - wouldn't want to do that again, ever ever.  = Every bird=20 was sending its callsign for days afterwards. 
 
Use CW on 10GHz when absolutely essential But I'd = never=20 use that mode for choice now when efficient narrowband data modes = do the=20 job a lot better.- its just not fun at all.   I just do not = like=20 it.  So you people who do like to use CW, please stop = digging at=20 those who take no pleasure in lilstening to on off tones and decoding = by=20 ear.
 
Its not a case of  "can't" , its "won't", do not = like, using=20 CW not fun !
 
Mind you. there's only one data mode on 10GHz that is=20 useable when rainscatter comes into plays - that's JT4G with = 315Hz tone=20 spacing.  CW works almost as well, but I think JT4G still has the = edge=20 when tones are spread out to 200Hz wide.   S
 
Opera may work on 10GHz RS, have to try it one day.
 
'jnt


 
On 28 February 2012 10:48, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:
Andy
This statement sounds like a self confessed = Appliance=20 Operator Amateur you could at least try CW for a while. = Intensely=20 dislike seems strong. I even tried Opera and do not dislike = it or=20 any Data mode but I prefer CW where the skill of the operator = is=20 evident when communicating instead of = pressing GREEN for=20 tx and RED for stop and AMBER for wait incase of a = DECODE as in=20 Appliance Operator.
I would encourage you to get a morse key and = have a=20 Go, one has to be positive !!
g3kev
 
  
----- Original Message ----- =
From: = Andy Talbot
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, = 2012=20 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: NDBs = &=20 WRC-12 LF band allocation

That''s OK Dave, if Mal's opinion won the day, then this = amateur=20 would never use the band.  I will not use Morse.  I = intensely=20 dislike it   So one way or the other one of us would = populate=20 the frequency. 
 
However, more than likely commone sense will prevail, as it = always=20 seems to in the Am bands and operating in this country,
 
'jnt


 
On 28 February 2012 06:50, Dave Sergeant = <dave@davesergeant.com> wrote:
If=20 such a rule built into the permits for this band then this=20 amateur
for one will never consider using it.

73 Dave=20 G3YMC

On 28 Feb 2012 at 0:02, James Moritz wrote:

> = So=20 there is
> a strong argument for amateurs not to use morse = code at=20 all in this
> frequency range. It would be better to use = totally=20 different types of
> transmission that would not be = confused with=20 a NDB beacon signal.
>


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