Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5269B38000082; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 07:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Rsvcd-0005Xx-Nw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:18:39 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Rsvcd-0005Xo-7g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:18:39 +0000 Received: from mail-bk0-f43.google.com ([209.85.214.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsvca-0002vC-Ue for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:18:39 +0000 Received: by bkbzv3 with SMTP id zv3so3553574bkb.16 for ; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 04:18:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.152.208 with SMTP id h16mr1366874bkw.6.1328185110761; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 04:18:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.152.208 with SMTP id h16mr1366868bkw.6.1328185110623; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 04:18:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from Win7Pro (host86-156-107-51.range86-156.btcentralplus.com. [86.156.107.51]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e17sm3364853bkz.13.2012.02.02.04.18.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 02 Feb 2012 04:18:29 -0800 (PST) From: Terry GW0EZY To: References: <002201cce18f$b4c42c70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <002201cce18f$b4c42c70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 12:18:27 -0000 Message-ID: <001801cce1a4$c5a62d30$50f28790$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AczhkG71damsuMAeSvqwqfvJKrRcwwACv1qg Content-Language: en-gb X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: RE: OPERA QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01CCE1A4.C5A62D30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:444613856:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404c4f2a7f6d7928 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CCE1A4.C5A62D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal I'm sure Graham will provide a full answer, but I noticed this in the "readme.txt" file (look in the Opera folder): v1.2.2 Beta Mean Power and antenna data in Operator menu Auto QSO option. This system send the QSO automatically when the contact is done in both directions. One QSO every 24 hours. I've not tried it and there is some discussion on the Opera Yahoo pages about what constitutes a "QSO"! Interesting thought about an ARQ type mode for LF. Pactor is a proprietary mode and needs a licence from SCS-PTC. For some reason, there are no currently available multimode programs giving Amtor ARQ and it has dropped out of favour. However, there are some recently developed (freeware) ARQ alternatives to Amtor (e.g. V4Chat) and some that have adapted standard PSK modes for QRQ but all are really intended for HF propagation conditions. Of course Murray Greenman ZL2AFP has developed CMSK Narrow-band weak signal mode for LF/MF QSOs, although it isn't ARQ. I have been waiting to see someone trying it out on 136 kHz as it looks quite promising. http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/CMSK/cmsk.htm 73 Terry GW0EZY From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 02 February 2012 09:48 To: rsgb Subject: LF: OPERA QSO Graham Opera seems popular, are there any plans ahead for a basic QSO mode instead of Beacon only. At present on MF/LF it has popularity in its favour over the other data modes. Instead of FEC how about the amtor approach where the transmission triggers a RX stn who responds and a QSO begins. The exchange need only be a few key words. How about modifying Amtor or Pactor for MF use. mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CCE1A4.C5A62D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mal

 

I’m sure Graham will provide a full answer, but I noticed this = in the  “readme.txt”  file (look in the Opera = folder):

 

v1.2.2 Beta

  Mean Power and antenna data in Operator = menu

  Auto QSO option. This system send the QSO automatically when = the contact is done in both directions. One QSO every 24 = hours.

 

I’ve not tried it and there is some discussion on the Opera = Yahoo pages about what constitutes a = “QSO”!

 

Interesting thought about an ARQ type mode for LF. Pactor is a = proprietary mode and needs a licence from SCS-PTC. For some reason, = there are no currently available multimode programs giving  Amtor = ARQ and it has dropped out of favour. However, there are some recently = developed (freeware) ARQ alternatives to Amtor  (e.g. V4Chat) and = some that have adapted standard PSK modes for QRQ but all are really = intended for HF propagation conditions.

 

Of course Murray Greenman ZL2AFP has developed CMSK Narrow-band weak = signal mode for LF/MF QSOs, although it isn’t ARQ. I have been = waiting to see someone trying it out on 136 kHz as it looks quite = promising.

 

http://www.qsl.net/zl1bp= u/CMSK/cmsk.htm

 

 

73 Terry GW0EZY

 

From:= = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal = hamilton
Sent: 02 February 2012 09:48
To: = rsgb
Subject: LF: OPERA = QSO

 

Graham

Opera seems popular, =  are there any plans ahead for a basic QSO mode instead of Beacon = only.

At present on MF/LF it = has popularity in its favour over the other data modes. =

Instead of FEC how about = the amtor approach where the transmission triggers a RX stn who responds = and a QSO begins. The exchange need only be a few = key words.

How = about modifying Amtor or Pactor for MF use. =

mal/g3kev

 

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