Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B3CCE38000088; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 06:30:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Rz4xU-0004es-JS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 11:29:36 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Rz4xT-0004ej-NK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 11:29:35 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Rz4xR-0002jA-Br for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 11:29:35 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFAMjTQE9cHY8l/2dsb2JhbABDglGvWoEIgW4FAQEFCAEBAwsVKQIPDRABAQMFAgEDEQQBAQoXAQYHFAEEGgYNCQgGEwoBAgIBAYdytTSIaoMVCQQCCgEED0UBAYNfOIM+BIJdhT6FOppP X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,445,1325462400"; d="scan'208,217";a="375873002" Received: from host-92-29-143-37.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.143.37]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2012 11:29:25 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01cceef9$bbcbe130$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002a01ccee25$c2416cd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4F3F800B.2000201@xs4all.nl> <003e01ccee2d$49b17f50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <007f01ccee6c$3eca0f50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <6ADDBBA8CD0B4DC38D7950C75294B505@AGB> <004601cceee8$7566da80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <2AB0A82B2A6F4A0ABCD855D8AB420777@lindavideo> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 11:29:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: opera 500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01CCEEF9.BB54B560" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:462546976:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61854f40dd5867ac X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CCEEF9.BB54B560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx Ken info No overhead lines around my QTH, all underground and there is no problem = with the telephone regardless of power on any band. Normally it is not a problem with CW, SSB, or QRSS it is just a problem = with Opera because of the data base feedback facility 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ken=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:05 AM Subject: RE: LF: opera 500 Hi Mal. I had the same problem until I went Fibre To The Cabinet (FTTC), if = you are on a long local line especially if it is overhead, the most = likely there will not be any DSL carriers above 500kHz, and what are = present will have a very poor S/N ratio. I fitted common mode chokes on = every piece of cable I could find and they made no difference, only a = few watts at 500kHz and the lower HF bands would cause the DSL router to = drop out and re-train up. I had my ex (pre-retirement) colleagues from = BT Adastral Park, conduct measurements on my local line, (2.8km in = length with 30m of drop wire) as part of a national survey, the line = without the common mode chokes had no DSL carriers above 500kHz with an = S/N less than 10dB, with a few watts of TX power with and without CMCs = the remaining carriers were degraded sufficiently to cause the router to = retrain. Another cause could be if you have drop wire there could be = corrosion on any external screw terminals causing 'Rectified Joints' = like the rusty bolt effect on radio masts, water getting into older = types of drop wire can cause corrosion on the plated steel conductors. Hope this helps. Ken ex-BT Adastral Parkl M0KHW =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 19 February 2012 09:26 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: opera 500 =20 Graham I have some filtering and the phone is not effected only the data = stream taking some hits.=20 It could well be an earth loop problem, must investigate further. Its a long time since I have been in Walmsley/Liverpool. I used that = route frequently Liverpool/Belfast but these days its Cairnryan/Larne The mode is popular because it is easy to implement especially with CW = transmitters and C/D/E amplifiers.=20 73 de mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:02 PM Subject: Re: LF: opera 500 =20 R Mal =20 Yes I cam across this some time ago with the first broad = band router, I brought one by edimax , not supposed to be the = best , but had a metal case and a real fcc licence , that was = fine , till adsl2 , the net-gear modem supplied was 100% u/s with = any Rf on any band .... =20 I brought the the newer version of the edimax , its not as Rf = proof as the old adsl-1 version, but for some reason , only takes = a hit on 160/80 =20 =20 Not too much you can do , apart from the usual Rf chokes , = could try a radio card from the router to the PC , if that's = where the Rf is being picked up ..unplug everything , see if it = crashes with just the phone line connected ? but with just the = driver , sounds a bit like a earth link .. depends how you have the = station wired up , i am in the top front room of the house , so = no direct earth , that's out in the shed , where the tuners are = , but I need to bond everything together to stop cable pick = up.. =20 73 -G.. =20 =20 =20 From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 6:36 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: opera 500 =20 Yes Graham This seems to be the problem although it recovers quickly but not = quick enough. It happens with very little RF being transmitted at the = driver chip stage without the PA switched on. de mal/g3kev =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:00 PM Subject: Re: LF: opera 500 =20 Mal, =20 Are you sure the internet/broadband connection is not being = frozen by the TX . ?=20 =20 I have this problem on 160 and 80 for some reason , 10 watts = and the web traffic stops but oddly , no problem on the other bands ...so you can miss = the incoming spots .. check the psk map and you will see 'who' is decoding you = ..=20 =20 This is one of the reasons a server handling the ros & = opera s/n reports would be a good addition . but the problem = is finding some one or group who could construct such a piece of = software .. it can be located on the sever JR runs .... still = looking for offers on that ..=20 =20 73 -G.=20 =20 From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 11:05 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: opera 500 =20 Tnx Albert But why am I not seeing this info on the right hand windiow. You = are S9 audible =20 mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Albert=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:40 AM Subject: Re: LF: opera 500 =20 Op 18-2-2012 11:12, mal hamilton schreef:=20 mf Does anyone copy my op4 on 501.5 at present. No database = feedback from anyone=20 mal/g3kev =20 10:16 500 G3KEV de PA0LCE Op4 495 km -9 dB in LAGE MIERDE = JO21NJ 10:16 500 G3KEV de PA3ABK Op4 443 km -3 dB in Dordrecht 10:16 500 G3KEV de G3ZJO Op4 229 km -26 dB in Northampton 10:16 500 G3KEV de ON6EO Op4 -4 dB in JO11LE 10:16 500 G3KEV de PA0ONO Op4 421 km -13 dB in Rotterdam 10:16 500 G3KEV de PA0A Op4 461 km -1 dB in Lucaswolde JO33DE 10:15 500 G3ZJO de G3ZJO Op4 0 km +6 dB in Northampton with = .0002w + 5m inv L-rx mini whip ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CCEEF9.BB54B560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tnx Ken info
No overhead lines around my QTH, all underground = and there=20 is no problem with the telephone regardless of power on any = band.
Normally it is not a problem with CW, SSB, or = QRSS it is=20 just a problem with Opera because of the data base feedback=20 facility
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ken
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 = 11:05=20 AM
Subject: RE: LF: opera = 500

Hi=20 Mal.

I=20 had the same problem until I went Fibre To The Cabinet (FTTC), if you = are on a=20 long local line especially if it is overhead, the most likely there = will not=20 be any DSL carriers above 500kHz, and what are present will have a = very poor=20 S/N ratio. I fitted common mode chokes on every piece of cable I could = find=20 and they made no difference, only a few watts at 500kHz and the lower = HF bands=20 would cause the DSL router to drop out and re-train up. I had my ex=20 (pre-retirement) colleagues  from BT Adastral Park, conduct = measurements=20 on my local line, (2.8km in length with 30m of drop wire) as part of a = national survey, the line without the common mode chokes had no DSL = carriers=20 above 500kHz with an S/N less than 10dB, with a few watts of TX power = with and=20 without CMCs the remaining carriers were degraded sufficiently to = cause the=20 router to retrain. Another cause could be if you have drop wire there = could be=20 corrosion on any external screw terminals causing =91Rectified = Joints=92 like the=20 rusty bolt effect on radio masts, water getting into older types of = drop wire=20 can cause corrosion on the plated steel=20 conductors.

Hope=20 this helps.

Ken   =20 ex-BT Adastral Parkl

M0KHW

   

 

From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 19 February 2012 = 09:26
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: opera=20 500

 

Graham

I = have some=20 filtering and the phone is not effected only the data stream taking = some hits.=20

It = could well=20 be an earth loop problem, must investigate=20 further.

Its a = long time=20 since I have been in Walmsley/Liverpool. I used that route frequently=20 Liverpool/Belfast but these days its=20 Cairnryan/Larne

The = mode is=20 popular because it is easy to implement especially with CW = transmitters and=20 C/D/E amplifiers.

73 de = mal/g3kev

 

-----=20 Original Message -----

From: Graham=20

Sent: = Saturday,=20 February 18, 2012 9:02 PM

Subject: = Re: LF:=20 opera 500

 

R=20 Mal

 

Yes  I cam =20 across  this  some  time ago  with the  = first =20 broad  band  router,  I brought  one  = by =20 edimax , not  supposed to be the  best , but  had a=20 metal  case  and  a  real   fcc  = licence=20 , that  was fine , till adsl2  , the  net-gear = modem=20 supplied  was  100% u/s   with  any  = Rf =20 on any  band ....

 

I brought the  = the =20 newer version of the  edimax , its   not  = as =20 Rf proof as the  old adsl-1  version, but  for =20 some  reason  , only  takes a  hit  on=20 160/80  

 

Not  too  = much =20 you  can  do  , apart  from the  =  usual =20 Rf chokes , could  try  a  radio  card  = from=20 the  router to the  PC , if that's where  the  = Rf is=20 being  picked  up  ..unplug   = everything  ,=20 see  if it  crashes  with  just the  = phone =20 line  connected ? but  with just the  driver , sounds = a=20 bit  like a earth  link .. depends how  you  = have=20 the  station  wired up , i am  in the  top  = front  room of the  house , so  no  direct  = earth  , that's  out  in the  shed , where=20 the  tuners  are ,  but  I need  to =20 bond  everything  together to  stop  cable  = pick=20 up..

 

73=20 -G..

 

 

 

From: = mal hamilton=20

Sent: = Saturday,=20 February 18, 2012 6:36 PM

To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20

Subject: = Re: LF:=20 opera 500

 

Yes = Graham

This seems to=20 be the problem although it recovers quickly but not quick enough. It = happens=20 with very little RF being transmitted at the driver chip stage = without the=20 PA switched on.

de=20 mal/g3kev

 

 

-----=20 Original Message -----

From: = Graham=20

To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20

Sent: = Saturday,=20 February 18, 2012 1:00 PM

Subject: = Re: LF:=20 opera 500

 

Mal,

 

Are  you  = sure=20 the  internet/broadband  connection  is not =20 being  frozen  by the  TX . ?=20

 

I have this  = problem =20 on 160 and  80  for  some  reason , 10 = watts  and=20 the  web traffic stops

but oddly , no  = problem on=20 the  other bands ...so  you  can  miss  = the =20 incoming  spots ..

check  the  = psk =20 map and you  will  see  'who'  is =20 decoding you ..

 

This  is  = one of=20 the  reasons  a  server handling the   = ros =20 & opera   s/n  reports   would  = be =20 a  good  addition  . but the  problem  = is =20 finding  some one or group  who could = construct  such=20 a  piece of  software .. it can  be =20 located   on  the  sever  JR runs =20 ....  still  looking  for  offers  on = that =20 ..

 

73 -G.=20

 

From: = mal=20 hamilton

Sent: = Saturday,=20 February 18, 2012 11:05 AM

To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20

Subject: = Re: LF:=20 opera 500

 

Tnx=20 Albert

But why am=20 I not seeing this info on the right hand windiow. You are S9=20 audible

 

mal/g3kev

 

-----=20 Original Message -----

From: Albert=20

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20

Sent:=20 Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:40 = AM

Subject: Re: LF:=20 opera 500

 

Op 18-2-2012 11:12, = mal=20 hamilton=20 schreef:

mf

Does=20 anyone copy my op4 on 501.5 at present. No database feedback = from anyone=20

mal/g3kev

 

10:16   =20 500 G3KEV de PA0LCE Op4 495 km -9 dB in LAGE MIERDE=20 JO21NJ

10:16   =20 500 G3KEV de PA3ABK Op4 443 km -3 dB in Dordrecht

10:16   =20 500 G3KEV de G3ZJO Op4 229 km -26 dB in Northampton

10:16   =20 500 G3KEV de ON6EO Op4  -4 dB in=20 JO11LE

10:16   =20 500 G3KEV de PA0ONO Op4 421 km -13 dB in Rotterdam

10:16   =20 500 G3KEV de PA0A Op4 461 km -1 dB in Lucaswolde=20 JO33DE

10:15   =20 500 G3ZJO de G3ZJO Op4 0 km +6 dB in Northampton with .0002w + 5m = inv L-rx=20 mini=20 = whip

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