Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7944738000082; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 05:30:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Rhf8x-0005Zi-7W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:29:27 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Rhf8w-0005ZZ-Ju for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:29:26 +0000 Received: from filter02.i-online.fr ([195.200.78.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Rhf8v-0006OZ-2a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:29:26 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by filter02.i-online.fr (IceWarp 10.2.2) with ESMTP (SSL) id MLF45711 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:29:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 28276 invoked by uid 507); 2 Jan 2012 11:29:15 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.101?) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2012 11:29:15 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) From: John Rabson X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <001501ccc8b0$95430b20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 11:29:17 +0100 Message-Id: References: <0db801ccc8ab$a46fe0a0$ed4fa1e0$@it> <001501ccc8b0$95430b20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Pan-European allocation at 500 kHz (was LF: Re: IQ2MI temp (hopefully) QRT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C8CCA677-9442-49EE-90FF-384976A8002C" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:460888960:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564f018741383f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail=_C8CCA677-9442-49EE-90FF-384976A8002C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mal, First of all, according to the ITU regulations there is no Amateur = Service allocation around 500kHz. Some administrations have issued = permits to radio amateurs (and others) with various conditions.=20 Some of these permits do not permit two-way communication. I understand = that the German authorities have issued such permits. As the possibility = of an amateur service allocation around 500 is likely to be raised at = the next World Radio Conference, it is unlikely that the Germans will at = this point go any further than they already have. I have no doubt (although I do not know) that the question of such an = allocation has been raised with the French authorities, but for the same = reason as for Germany I would not expect any developments until the next = WRC proceedings have been ratified. If we were to have a single radio prefix for all of the EU (by the way, = the USA has several prefixes) there would need to be a central issuing = authority, and frequency allocations across the EU would have to be = harmonised. At present they are a long way from that. For example, 6 m = in France has quite severe restrictions on power level and location, and = we do not have all the microwave allocations some other countries do. John F5VLF On 1 Jan 2012, at 19:10CET, mal hamilton wrote: > MF > It is hard to understand why the big players in EU cannot arrange an = amateur radio licence on 500 > ie Germany, France, Italy > =20 > Maybe there should only be one EU radio licence prefix for all EU in = the Euro zone like the USA --Apple-Mail=_C8CCA677-9442-49EE-90FF-384976A8002C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Mal,

First of all, according to = the ITU regulations there is no Amateur Service allocation around = 500kHz.  Some administrations have issued permits to radio amateurs = (and others) with various = conditions. 

Some of these permits do not = permit two-way communication.  I understand that the German = authorities have issued such permits. As the possibility of an amateur = service allocation around 500 is likely to be raised at the next World = Radio Conference, it is unlikely that the Germans will at this point go = any further than they already have.

I have no = doubt (although I do not know) that the question of such an allocation = has been raised with the French authorities, but for the same reason as = for Germany I would not expect any developments until the next WRC = proceedings have been ratified.

If we were to = have a single radio prefix for all of the EU (by the way, the USA has = several prefixes) there would need to be a central issuing authority, = and frequency allocations across the EU would have to be harmonised. At = present they are a long way from that.  For example, 6 m in France = has quite severe restrictions on power level and location, and we do not = have all the microwave allocations some other countries = do.

John F5VLF

On 1 Jan = 2012, at 19:10CET, mal hamilton wrote:

MF
It is hard to understand why the big players = in EU cannot arrange an amateur radio licence on 500
ie = Germany, France, Italy
Maybe there = should only be one EU radio licence prefix for all EU in the Euro zone = like the USA

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