Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id ED81B380000AC; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:47:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Rntpb-0003vA-DR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:23:15 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Rntpa-0003v1-RR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:23:14 +0000 Received: from mail-iy0-f171.google.com ([209.85.210.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RntpY-0005uX-DC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:23:14 +0000 Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so62450iah.16 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:23:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=g+pN3p8WP92dMATVvZn6I8GfbxGhgtRhpcFScRmWpCI=; b=QwJvcIKYN4XSN1pZ46SdDdmBdiG7DG52/MpPqveAG1zyXCkCZLM0QvPF1skJIt65jD 5Exxzv0igVnj1MNVouS47rWsj7Jyx0rMYtEi8WHdr/814MvKUtSW/BaHjvHy2go65KE2 P6wjmtoTB7Rg/Gt/MXpeb3f3NzhZrHxJs3hO8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.131.10 with SMTP id x10mr3725736ics.10.1326986585922; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:23:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.12.140 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:23:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F1828F5.18343.1167B04@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> References: <4F1828F5.18343.1167B04@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:23:05 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Opera speeds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:402846272:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m010.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d54f183b201c9f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Not true - the way its reported. S/N is always (in amateur circles) referred to 2.5kHz. So although OP32 has 6dB lower bandwidth than OP8 (0.12Hz compared with 0.5Hz signalling) by teh time it is normalised to 2500Hz the figures end up the same Quite why, since WSJT introduced the idea, we chose to refer to S/N in 2500Hz is lost in the shrouds of time. Just becasuse its about the same as an SSB filter Why couldn't we have done what the rest of the RF world does and use a 1Hz reference? Andy G4JNT > Reports on my signals from PA0A, PA0AM, G4WGT and F6CNI (between 257 > and 465km) show variable results. The slower speed never produced a > worse S/N, though sometimes it was exactly the same. Usually the > result was between 4 and 9dB improvement with the slower speed. > > Intuitively, I would assume a 6dB improvement (though I am no digital > expert), but occasionally better iif QRM is present as I would expect > this to affect the faster signal more. Is this a reasonable >