Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BE09838000082; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 04:40:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RheLy-0005Pc-Oh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 09:38:50 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RheLx-0005PT-UX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 09:38:49 +0000 Received: from mail-iy0-f171.google.com ([209.85.210.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RheLu-00065j-OZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 09:38:49 +0000 Received: by iagw33 with SMTP id w33so42015524iag.16 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 01:38:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hExWw6VVsoozDQaNiC6i88PewWOU1rXTGHfOzjcRzHM=; b=QuUD6kAiMbX+kTSO988baEk1QLVZQpDM070O1jpEx31NtBLlCPtkrYKvNuQZeYe9mX O4rbsmn6O5k3EKbfxvirOUetDTuU/LRz7vNTjbTsOdImN9ZyjM+U1SS2MqgkRb2Gzptn Ea/BIg4EKzOec7sLiVdz3jiemx8lYmLKFIyoY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.190.196 with SMTP id gs4mr57557535igc.14.1325497119454; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 01:38:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.150.144 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 01:38:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <24EF41C85642406DBC109E6B63190CBD@AGB> References: <24EF41C85642406DBC109E6B63190CBD@AGB> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 09:38:39 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: OPERA The new CW / QRSS replacement data mode Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:395888608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d004.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4f017b762cc8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none So what is the coding, the error correction, the decoding scheme. Come on, in the amateur radio world there's no need for keeping such things secret You can't beat Shannon - ON/OFF in a particular bandwidth with decent FEC will always give the same performance, so what are the innards of this one? Andy www.g4jnt.com On 2 January 2012 00:08, Graham wrote: > All, > > > > After=A0 some=A0 time=A0 in development=A0 the=A0 136/500=A0 version=A0 o= f the=A0 Opera > data=A0 mode=A0 is=A0 ready=A0 for=A0=A0experimental=A0 use . > > > > Download=A0 links=A0 are=A0 available=A0 from=A0 myself=A0 or=A0 Gary, G4= WGT=A0 as the > versions=A0 may=A0 change=A0 , these=A0 may=A0 also=A0 change=A0 , > > > > Users=A0 are=A0 invited=A0 to=A0 join the=A0 Opera=A0 yahoo=A0=A0 group > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/O_P_E_R_A_/?yguid=3D131323118 > > > > At the=A0 moment=A0, spots=A0 are=A0 distributed to=A0 other=A0 OP users= =A0 on line=A0 at > the time ,. future intent=A0 is to=A0 link=A0=A0 to=A0 the=A0 PSK-Reporti= ng=A0 network > and=A0 for=A0 a=A0 HF version=A0 and=A0 possible=A0 limited =A0QSO=A0 mod= e=A0, allowing > under=A0 the=A0 noise=A0 qso's=A0 with=A0 a simple=A0 xtal=A0 tx > > > > There=A0 is a=A0 on line=A0 chat=A0 mode=A0to=A0 facilitate=A0 tests=A0 e= tc > > > > The=A0 software=A0 is=A0 available=A0 for=A0 all=A0 , free=A0 to=A0 use= =A0 , > > > > Happy=A0 new year=A0 to=A0 all=A0 and=A0 good=A0 luck > > > > 73-G .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OPERA=A0 The=A0 new=A0 CW/ QRSS =A0replacement=A0=A0 data mode > > > > There=A0 is=A0 always the=A0 assumption that=A0 all=A0=A0 armature=A0 rad= io=A0 stations > can=A0 effectively=A0=A0 translate=A0 what=A0 ever=A0 new=A0 soundcard=A0= data=A0 mode=A0 that > is=A0 coded to=A0 radio=A0 frequency.. > > > > The=A0 question=A0 I posed was=A0 =91What=A0 about=A0 those=A0 who=A0 can= not , and=A0 only > have=A0 CW transmission=A0 facility=92s=92? =85 > > > > Never did get a reply > > > > So=A0 after a=A0 long=A0 exchange=A0 of emails , the=A0 concept=A0 of=A0 = a=A0 serial=A0 data > mode that=A0 used only=A0 one=A0 tone=A0 , on/off=A0 keyed , with a=A0 ey= e=A0 on the > qrss=A0 system,=A0 was=A0 finally=A0 discussed=A0 and=A0 coding=A0 work= =A0 begun, an > initial=A0 statement=A0 that in software , could=A0 be =A0achieved=A0 a l= ower=A0 level > of=A0 detection=A0 than that=A0 required to=A0 produce a=A0 line=A0 on a= =A0 spectrum=A0 plot > set the=A0 scene for=A0 a=A0 what=A0 was=A0 originally=A0 proposed to=A0 = be a=A0 simple > data=A0 mode, turned into to=A0 a=A0 race to the=A0 noise=A0 floor. > > > > > > OPERA > > > > Is=A0 a totally=A0=A0 new=A0=A0 Data=A0 / Beacon=A0 mode ,=A0 profiled=A0= for the=A0 136=A0 and > 500=A0 bands=A0 , with=A0 HF=A0 possibility=92s=A0=A0 later=A0 in the=A0 = project . The beacon > mode is the version under test at the moment. > > > > Opera=A0 was=A0 designed=A0 as an alternative=A0 to the=A0 QRSS=A0 transm= ission=A0 system > and=A0 provides=A0 for a=A0 limited=A0 number of characters to=A0 be=A0 t= ransmitted by > a=A0 serial=A0 single=A0 keyed=A0 tone=A0 , as=A0 is=A0 QRSS=A0=A0 or=A0 = live=A0 CW, 6 at the > moment. > > > > It is=A0 live=A0 =91data=92 mode and=A0 there=A0 is=A0 no=A0 requirement= =A0 for=A0 time > synchronisation=A0 of the=A0 tx/rx=A0 station . > > > > The=A0 mode=A0 can=A0 be=A0 transmitted=A0 by=A0 any=A0 transmitter=A0 SS= B/CW , there > being=A0 provided=A0 a=A0 keyed tone=A0 and=A0=A0 Comm.=A0 Port=A0 CW=A0= =A0 key interface > > > > There=A0 is=A0 a=A0 windows =91gui=92 interface=A0=A0 and=A0 the=A0 requi= rement for=A0=A0 RX > audio=A0 feed,=A0 based=A0 round 1500 Hz , Tx=A0 audio=A0 at 1500 Hz may= =A0 also=A0 be > used to=A0 drive=A0 a=A0 audio/rf conversion ,=A0 changes=A0 of=A0 Tx=A0 = audio tone > prevent collisions, and the=A0 software scans=A0 for a=A0 slot of minimum= noise . > to=A0 place the=A0 TX carrier=A0 in. > > > > If the=A0 CW key option is=A0 used, then the=A0 Tx frequency=A0 is=A0 sel= ected=A0 by > the=A0 Tx master oscillator=A0 only. > > > > Once a signal is decoded, the decode-spot is distributed to other > web-connected=A0=A0 users, future development=A0 will=A0 link to the=A0 P= SK-Reporting > network . > > > > > > OPERA=A0 is coded=A0 at the=A0 moment=A0 for=A0 136=A0 and=A0 500 Khz=A0 = =A0and=A0 still=A0 under > development. > > > > As=A0 a=A0 basic=A0 out=A0 line=A0 the=A0 system (at the=A0 moment) codes= =A0 the=A0 six > characters=A0 of the=A0 call=A0 sign=A0 and=A0 transmits=A0 them as a=A0 = serial=A0 =91pulse=92 > train using=A0 either=A0 conventional=A0 audio=A0 to=A0 RF=A0 translation= =A0 , or=A0 by > the=A0 use of=A0 a=A0 COM port=A0 and=A0 transistor=A0 keying=A0 cct=A0 t= hat=A0 simply > replaces the CW key , > > > > Reception, as the=A0 data=A0=A0 is=A0 spread=A0 out along=A0 a=A0 time=A0= line , decoding > is completed=A0 during the=A0 final=A0 stages of the=A0 transmission , du= e to=A0 this > ,,it=A0 is not=A0 possible=A0 to=A0 include a=A0 receive=A0 progress=A0 m= onitor, however > the=A0 system=A0 will=A0 track and=A0 decode=A0 multiple transmissions=A0= of=A0 both time > bases simultaneously > > > > > > Transmit times are=A0 used to=A0 denote=A0 the=A0 mode > > > > 500 Khz > > > > 2=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Minuets > > 16=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Minuets > > > > 136 Khz > > > > 8=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 Minuets > > 65=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 Minuets > > > > > > > > S/N, The=A0 mode=A0 is=A0 capable=A0 of=A0 decoding=A0 under the=A0 noise= level=A0 , beyond > that=A0 of=A0 WSPR=A0 or the=A0 ROS-MF-2=A0=A0 system with a=A0 maximum= =A0 data=A0 loss=A0of > 33%=A0 before=A0 the=A0 decode Fails. > > > > Opera 2 =A0=A0=A0 similar to WSPR > > > Opera 8=A0=A0=A0=A0 6dB better than WSPR. > > > > Opera 65=A0=A0 9 dB better than Opera8, > > > > > >