Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 363C238000096; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RrEuo-0003Df-Pr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:30:26 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RrEun-0003DW-Sx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:30:25 +0000 Received: from nm4-vm0.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.229]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RrEum-0007mf-HP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:30:25 +0000 Received: from [217.146.183.197] by nm4.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 20:30:18 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.206] by tm3.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 20:30:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 20:30:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 852433.62952.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 2902 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2012 20:30:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=jPcY2SgjxI2s/UXqocspySVBybwn3zjNrmE4YeqwXDmjxd4UVeq23WMv6UH/hRhTnn4HW61P6Ca3h4l1pGlgEWiX1VYjno261bizOxnjRsXGsG4mjjj+xxsnMwLU2K8QamMGcN98mLOXrnWVGdhw2a/4RjOiOz0brjE25redj+k= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1327782618; bh=3Uk6nMGGWAh4uVsNB8vbldLKvU0UMYc6tQ3SlmYkwpo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=6DFk75/IDaZdNB+Q5YUujoCnKyty9Yj6XbD1+5vH/fSlkvCDv7UVBRsGFHxJzc0uA/qr5mFM3V0CWiBO5UiAqAWv0yyr6dTKbzkrL/xm/vsNs1nnwbnKx09NTunHtA3oApov7RuNn1zHmpGGFaC2MH8a40JuSbUK1rYdc2/DcDo= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: l6b6XwcVM1maspMhPG1MrIWfvuexlBlVQGUv8yH_.61W8aE 9DH0ZB4Gitqz5WvGzGe7Hy2y.XoAxsapQ5n9lRI16Svzu.ioTm9jbAPdc8W. jX5mkn60KE6t6jetZUK6SoAsCCNez774JOvnrhXbE0Lmtmb0IVBed4bqMiGM 8N21eBXxLWRRD7O7lzpi4pbbOBer3j6VM0.El1hbeP2Lq6ijJLs3jsiC3SDk I4pNuJeIh4YlPqWsN1_HJO9Y_8SSiv1CN9Ah9y0UjbFMoMQjwJFVZ4k9tJQZ vsnSC3j_MjNtv5jv_jAslOmSuuWbhyLKcWLP3ZGMplfKFZeWGnulg5PN0Gs5 imcU8AbwW02Q9FSM8ujqeMBBFh7DUit1enz46aqxDWBK05Mbcr_8xcGyOSI3 JHo9hA9Vq0Ar6PS1S8OiMjiX.PFYRhi8L X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.177.191.81 with login) by smtp829.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2012 12:30:18 -0800 PST Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <3992CC59F7A14AA694628529761EC5DE@AGB><4F1F695F.7020400@charter.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:30:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WOLF DATA MODE S/N FIG ? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:466950720:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m206.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4f245b2d58c5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Andy, LF Group, > So by continuously looking at repeated message, the effective > bandwidth will get lower by the average of the number of times it has > been repeated. Two repeats 3dB or half BW, 4 repeats 6dB , 8 > repeeats 9dB etc etc > > Does this seem about right ? Well, I cannot claim any expert knowledge, but I'm sure that must be the intention. Presumably the limit to which this can be done is determined by the ability of the decoder to successfully detect the pseudo-random sequence. I guess it has to do this separately for each 96 second message in order to get the carrier phase for that message. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU