Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D9B6A380000A4; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 12:16:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RjwL0-0000Ci-J1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 17:15:18 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RjwKz-0000CR-Sg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 17:15:17 +0000 Received: from filter02.i-online.fr ([195.200.78.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RjwKy-0006Fm-5J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 17:15:17 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by filter02.i-online.fr (IceWarp 10.2.2) with ESMTP (SSL) id SSW45556 for ; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 18:14:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 8401 invoked by uid 507); 8 Jan 2012 18:14:51 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.101?) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2012 18:14:51 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) From: John Rabson X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 18:14:53 +0100 Message-Id: <91F1699C-42A1-48CB-BD8D-DDAD1A82D55D@numeo.fr> References: <1282EFFE-6644-46D0-8EED-0195BF5181CC@numeo.fr> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Subject: LF: Re: improving ground Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:434459744:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4094f09cf573ec4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Thank you everyone for your helpful comments. I have done some more = tests on my inverted L system with the following results (please note = that E1 means a measurement made with the first earth connection, E2 the = second and so on): Feed-point resistance at 137kHz in ohms: E1 =3D 156, E2 =3D 156, E3 =3D = 200, all in parallel =3D 135 (this figure is about 15 ohms less than the = value obtained last month). Individual earth resistances: E1 =3D 41, E2 =3D 41, E3 =3D 85 (in each = case in series with 7 ohms inductive), all in parallel =3D 17. These = measurements were made by taking 2 earth connections at a time, = measuring the loop impedance and estimating the individual components. Taking the differences: E1 =3D 115, E2 =3D 115, E3 =3D 115, all in = parallel =3D 118. It looks as if this very nearly constant figure = represents the resistances of the return paths from the remote ends of = the horizontal section to the nearest earth spikes. This means there is = nothing to be gained by adding more earth spikes. Deploying an 8 by 4 metre loop on the ground below one end of the flat = top, and connected to the nearest earth spike, reduced the 135 figure = above to 126.=20 Measurements were made with a GR1606A bridge. The generator and = detector were both isolated from the instrument with double-wound = transformers. The case of the instrument was connected to the earth = system under test in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions. = Note that the earth resistance measurements were the same whichever way = round the earth connections were). Note also that the transmitter system is isolated from the antenna by a = double-wound transformer, so as to isolate the RF side of the station = from the domestic electricity earth. Tomorrow's step is to put a loop at the other end of the horizontal = section and see what effect it produces. John F5VLF