Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A126438000088; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:18:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ri6tG-0001l9-72 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:07:06 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ri6tF-0001l0-Qp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:07:05 +0000 Received: from mail.uk.thalesgroup.com ([192.93.164.29] helo=Alfaes01.gwserv.thalesgroup.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ri6tD-0002FO-F5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:07:05 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,450,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="29637447" Received: from echoes02.gwserv.thalesgroup.com (HELO gwserv.thalesgroup.com) ([172.31.141.6]) by Alfaes01.gwserv.thalesgroup.com with ESMTP; 03 Jan 2012 16:06:57 +0000 Received: from ([193.150.182.142]) by echoes02.gwserv.thalesgroup.com with ESMTP id FBYFQH1.14069798; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:06:53 +0000 Received: by temps153538.tms-ltd.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:06:53 -0000 Message-ID: <8E8D23D235D70840B6582917DF27898013DCA5FE@temps153538.tms-ltd.com> From: Reeves Paul To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:06:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: Antennas Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:412216672:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834f032a4647d0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Don't forget, Mal still uses cats whiskers and coherers - that's why he needs large antennas and keeps on asking everyone to use QRO amplifiers and antennas that need 2 acres of ground space because he cannot hear them :-) But more seriously, I rather agree with Andy, unless you need fancy directional processing for the rx side you only need to be external noise limited - all the naval systems (that I've dealt with...) use active rx antennas and serious multicouplers. Tx uses as much metalwork as they can get up there, generally whips. Subs also use active antenna probes and loops for vlf (rather a critical area you might think....) - rather less interested in transmitting though:-) But it would be nice to have the space and low noise level that Mal seems to have........ Paul G8GJA -----Original Message----- From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX [mailto:dexter.mc@gmail.com] Sent: 03 January 2012 15:02 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Antennas What commercial two way LF stations still exist? All that I know of just transmit. Way back when there was two way LF traffic a high level receive signal was needed for the cat whisker detector to work :) Dex This email, including any attachment, is a confidential communication intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. It contains information which is private and may be proprietary or covered by legal professional privilege. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender upon receipt, and immediately delete it from your system. Anything contained in this email that is not connected with the businesses of this company is neither endorsed by nor is the liability of this company. Whilst we have taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this email has been swept for viruses, we cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses, and would advise that you carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment.